First civil partnership to be signed, interest grows

January 20th, 2016 Cyprus 174 comments 3103

First civil partnership to be signed, interest grows

By Annette Chrysostomou

Two women will be the first to enter into formal civil partnerships in Cyprus on Friday January 29, it emerged on Wednesday.

They applied after the law allowing same-sex unions came into effect on Monday. The ceremony will take place in Nicosia. Another two ceremonies are booked for February.

The civil union law which makes this possible ensures that same-sex couples have the same rights and responsibilities as opposite-sex couples.

“The only major difference is the prohibition of joint adoption, however this is something that will soon change,” said Costas Gavrielides from the LGBT group ‘Accept’.

According to Gavrielides, there has been more interest in the formal civil partnerships than expected. “There may be around 20 couples, they are asking us, and also the district office”, he added. “There were also some heterosexual couples and we have had requests from abroad, from the UK and Canada and also two Cypriot couples who live in the UK.”

The group is happy about the interest, considering that homosexuals have long hidden from public view.  “Of course, notions don’t change suddenly, we have way to go before full acceptance,” he told the Cyprus Mail.

“This was a big step, and we have to resolve the day-to-day things now. For this we want to meet with the ministry,” the activist went on to say. One of the things he is not happy about is the procedure, which he thinks should be more fitting for the occasion. Currently the signing of the papers takes place at the district office and the ceremony is performed by the district officer.

In Nicosia it has been decided that the partnership papers will be signed on Fridays. In other cities, people have also shown interest, but as yet no dates have been set.

The procedure is much the same as for civil weddings. The couple first needs make a sworn declaration at the court that they are not married. The fee for these affidavits is €16 for both. Then the couple has to get an official certificate of freedom from the civil registry and migration department which is issued for a fee of €68.

Finally the pair should go to the administration of the town where one of the two resides and arrange for the signing of the documents, which will cost another €90. During the ceremony, the couple will be accompanied by two other persons who will sign as witnesses.

 

 

 

 

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  1. Nikos Denislis
    January 22, 2016 at 10:16

    There have been endless discussions regarding the legalization of same-sex relationships. I have recently visited the gay-sauna in Limassol (Thermos Spa) and I even remember people discussing thereon while they were in the steam room. It is also true that people met at the said spa and they are now thinking about legalizing their relationships by using this opportunity.
    I heard that Thermos Spa (which is a wonderful place) plans to organize wedding/civil union parties too. I’ll be really glad to attend one (if I am included in the list of the guests).

    1. NICKDAVIS844
      January 22, 2016 at 18:37

      Very clever of you to advertise (Thermos Spar) using CM’s back door to escape payment.

  2. V_CM
    January 20, 2016 at 22:55

    I do not oppose civil partnerships, relationship between two persons is up to them. However I believe that not letting same sex couples adopt children is a correct approach and should stay so. Nature didn’t think of this and so should the society, children are a wrong area for experiments.

    1. Plasma Dawn
      January 20, 2016 at 23:09

      Nature did not “think” of people flying in rockets to the moon or diving 11 km into the Mariana Trench. Neither did it think of wearing shoes, dentures, breast implants, and imaginary old men dwelling in the clouds and requiring frequent prayers and donations, etc.

      1. V_CM
        January 20, 2016 at 23:43

        I expected such type of response. Nature didn’t think of Chernobyl either. Diving into Mariana trench or flying into space generally does not affect anyone apart from the person doing it. Children are easily influenced. Society should encourage behaviors that are benefitial for survival. I do believe that sometimes it is better to be conservative, especially when we’re talking about children – and again, what grown up adults do is up to them, as long as it doesn’t have an impact on others.

        1. Plasma Dawn
          January 20, 2016 at 23:55

          So what’s your point? Diving into Mariana trench or flying into space and everything else in between that people did influenced everyone, not just the persons doing it. Science and technology breakthroughs have global ramifications, many of them social and political, way beyond the personal experiences of experimenters and researchers.

          1. V_CM
            January 21, 2016 at 02:43

            I wrote “generally”. Parents on average have the highest degree of influence on child’s development. As I mentioned, I believe that heterosexual behavior is more benefitial for survival of a society than a homosexual one. My belief is that children should also be encouraged (but not forced) to follow heterosexual behavior.

            1. Plasma Dawn
              January 21, 2016 at 03:08

              Heterosexual behavior is perhaps more beneficial for the survival of a small tribe that is isolated and on the brink of extinction. However, with the planet’s population of more than 7 billion people and steadily growing, the survival of the species is nowhere in danger. Furthermore, since the population growth will not slow down anytime soon (to the detriment of quality of life for everyone), homosexuality may even turn out to be beneficial after all.

              1. V_CM
                January 22, 2016 at 02:29

                I agree with you regarding population growth, and probably you noticed that majority of countries with rapidly growing population don’t care about homosexual rights at all, let alone same-sex adoption. I’m concerned that if current trend continues, Western civilization is going to disappear. I don’t have anything against other cultures, but I’d like to preserve the one we live in also.

                1. Plasma Dawn
                  January 22, 2016 at 14:07

                  Having same sex relationships and procreating are two different things. Women will always want children regardless of their sexual orientation and they will be able to do it either naturally or through artificial insemination. The survival of the Western civilization may have other threats but this is not one of them.

              2. NICKDAVIS844
                January 24, 2016 at 17:29

                1) The predicted overpopulation of the earth will not be avoided by the homosexual sterile behaviours because the human race already has many safety protective measures to prevent such a condition. One is Durex, so stop clutching at straws to justify their abnormality. . 2) Homosexuality without it has been the factor for most of the 3.5million AIDS
                deaths and current sufferers, apart from the many AID’s mothers that infected
                their new borns.
                3) The lesbian practices of lic—g each other’s baby outputs resulting in a climax of mental stupor are an animal ‘make do’ perversion when they are missing their
                opposite sex. These deviants have succeeded in barring all contrary brain messages to not supersede the laws of nature and instead enthrone this animal practice that is now a human right.

                1. Plasma Dawn
                  January 24, 2016 at 18:56

                  Of course the predicted overpopulation of the earth will not be avoided by homosexuality, therefore the survival of the species is not a valid argument against it.

                  STDs have always been a problem even with heterosexuals. Syphilis, if left untreated, is fatal. Some types of HPV can cause cervical cancer, which can also be fatal. Hepatitis C can also be fatal.

                  Let me reveal to you a great secret you don’t seem to be aware of: sex between people of any gender, not just lesbians, is supposed to result “in a climax of mental stupor” otherwise known as orgasm. That includes “lic—g each other’s baby outputs”, otherwise known as oral sex, and many other methods. Perhaps your friends could enlighten you better or you could read some serious human sexuality books. There is nothing deviant in it. The only thing that is deviant is your attitude and anachronistic thinking. Labeling people as deviant because you don’t like what they are and what they do in the privacy of their bedrooms is shameful and bigoted. Thank goodness it is now a human right, or you and your church would have burned them at stake as the likes of you did years ago when they were able to.

                  1. Slomi
                    January 24, 2016 at 19:24

                    something new!!!

                    1. Plasma Dawn
                      January 24, 2016 at 19:28

                      What thing in particular?

                    2. Slomi
                      January 24, 2016 at 19:32

                      Mental stupor.

                  2. NICKDAVIS844
                    January 24, 2016 at 21:42

                    Your post was politely rendered. but 3.5 million deaths from aids should not be used as the excuse to balance the more common fatal deceases you mention above.. The word oral and orgasm is so commonly used now it has lost it’s shock value. The ‘privacy of their bedrooms’ is now not a factor that can confine their aims that now encroach on the long established traditions of family values. We expect examples for our young and rights of our ‘no say’ orphans. Power corrupts but in the hands of humans it corrupts totally. To assume that our Church would now burn dissenters if no laws existed is again not expected of you,but you knew that so why hope for undeserved points? I can not even kill or poison the mice I catch in traps nor would I refuse any homosexual help when in trouble. You confuse my wish for them to resist what I consider is an evil temptation for their own good and ours.

                    1. Plasma Dawn
                      January 24, 2016 at 22:58

                      You are so right, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely – which is how the Church got corrupted and we all know about the Inquisition, the burnings at stake, etc. Your Church has done enough damage in this world throughout its history, killed enough people, ruined enough lives, stifled enough scientific discoveries, and promoted enough falsehoods that benefited no one except the ruling classes and the clergy.

                      Deaths from HIV were most unfortunate, but it is now under control and many HIV patients are now dying of old age rather than from the disease. Over the course of history a lot more people died from syphilis than HIV until antibiotics were discovered. Besides, not all HIV patients have acquired it through same-sex relationships, so your statistics do not accurately reflect your theory.

                      Another out-worldly theory is that people of whose sexuality you do not approve of and whom you label as evil and corrupted, have some nefarious and wicked secret aims to “encroach on the long-established traditions of family values”. Conspiracy theorists come a dime a dozen nowadays, ranging from moon landing hoaxers to vaccine-caused autism crusaders, and this theory is comfortably nestled somewhere amidst all those lunacies. You do not seem capable of understanding that what people really want is to be free of the tyranny of the mind and soul your system of beliefs seeks to impose on everyone on this planet. If you don’t like skating, paragliding, or non-Church-approved sex, just don’t engage in these activities, but do not impose your views and morality on the rest of the world. How would you like living under a regime like in North Korea and not have the freedom to be religious, go to Church, or speak up your mind? Well, this is similar to what you are advocating for.

                    2. NICKDAVIS844
                      January 25, 2016 at 19:06

                      Are you loading the faults of the Roman Catholic Church (Galileo’s trial, the Inquisition, tortures, witch hunts) onto the shoulders of the Greek Orthodox Church of Greece? You don’t believe in God but you well know His laws are not what the corrupt head of a Church obeys to the letter. Please try to give me a little credit for knowing when you purposely allow ambiguous connections to suit your
                      aims. Most uncommon practices or those considered harmful to our health or to others, are made unlawful ie speeding,drug taking and others of which the most serious is what we differ about. It is immoral as believed by the majority of the world but overruled by the comparatively insignificant few in politics that dictate for us to accept.
                      Unfortunately we will never agree but. I do benefit from using up your time that would have otherwise been used to attract supporters for you.

                    3. Plasma Dawn
                      January 25, 2016 at 19:30

                      I see, you think you are using stalling tactics, don’t you? How naive…

                      The Roman Catholic Church is an integral and significant part of Christianity, thus I feel comfortable blaming the Christian Church in general terms, even more so after reading what the Greek Orthodox Metropolitan Seraphim of Piraeus had to say in a TV interview, just a few years ago:

                      “Adolf Hitler was an instrument of world Zionism and was financed from the renowned Rothschild family with the sole purpose of convincing the Jews to leave the shores of Europe and go to Israel to establish the new Empire.”

                      He also added that “world Zionism” was conspiring to destroy Greece and the Orthodox Church. So yes, some elements in the GOC are just as bigoted and detached from reality as any other Church ever was.

                    4. NICKDAVIS844
                      January 25, 2016 at 22:42

                      Learn to check what you write and compare it with the answers given. The evil works committed by the totally independent Catholic Church are stated clearly to not be associated to the GOC. I did not say the GOC never made mistakes. But you could not resist showing off that you can Google an answer for your addiction to gaining points predominantly from your fans, the punker wallers fanning their queen of pro gay writings. ..

        2. Puppy master
          January 21, 2016 at 22:28

          You were a child once as was I, children are individuals and if given the discipline, education and freedoms to grow will change their views as they mature! The children of gay couples will grow up as will the children of hetrosexual couples, knowing there are many types of people and we are all equal! I hope you agree!

    2. No_Name12
      January 21, 2016 at 00:30

      I simply want to point out that there is nothing natural about monogamous, kernel based family structures. They formed historically in societies, connected to mainly economic developments, and became entrenched and enforced through state regulation. The social construction and historical formation of the modern family structure has been known since the late 19th century anthropological research.

      Should the state take away children of lesbian couples? Are we to see these children as deviant creations? Stigmatize them? Women of whatever sexuality still have the capacity for reproduction, and unsurprisingly they do reproduce and have offspring and set up families. Not waiting for anyone’s approval.

      You sit here debating if a child is better left in an orphanage instead of a home with two same sex parents (who will have to pass through the whole system of being checked up in the process), as if there are no same-sex families already here and now.

      1. V_CM
        January 21, 2016 at 02:22

        Deviant creations? Only in your imagination.

        1. No_Name12
          January 21, 2016 at 02:56

          Exactly.

          Can we rest the case on adoption for now? No one is lobbying for it i Cyprus atm.

      2. Puppy master
        January 21, 2016 at 22:13

        Bravo, I know many disfunctional families with heterosexual parents, I know none with homosexual/ lesbian families. Also marriage is an institution that was created when the average life span was late 20s that meant maximum 18 years with your partner, not 50/60 God bless those couples who are still happily married after 30 years, they are an anomaly!

        1. No_Name12
          January 22, 2016 at 03:30

          Historically there were a multiplicity of ways that family structures were formed around reproduction, intimate and sexual relationships of all sorts can also be found in abundance.

          The kernel based, monogamous heterosexual family has been located to form and reach hegemony when men of affluence claimed the reproductive capacity of women, in order to maintain control over them and produce an official offspring to pass down property. Anthropology has been dealing with the issue of kinship since the 19th century. Somewhere in the Mesopotamia in BC, when the first Empires rose and private property developed. Sumerians, Babylonians etc etc. Cant remember the dates now. The state gave recognition and imposed this form of family structure, unsurprisingly it was the ruling classes that held property and made the laws.

          Controlling female sexuality and sexual experience was deemed the successful method of making sure that the offspring is surely the man’s and not somebody else’s. The idea of a love-based, romantic relationship being the core element of marriage is quite new, it emerges in 18th-19th century Europe, and here still, only in the minds of romantics and ideologues of all sorts (both sexist and proto-feminist). Romantic ideology was after all the product of aristocracy, a fine layer of sentimentality to maintain a system of political kinship by arranged marriage.

          I wouldn’t go so far as to say that homosexual couples are somehow at a better point, I know none that have children, but I certainly have seen the reproduction of abusive masculinity and passive femininity in their relationships as well. They are not from another planet, often they try to recreate traditional norms in the relationship, homosexual relationships are influenced as much from the dominant culture as heterosexual ones.

          But in the Cyprus of today, I can tell surely that I know of less than 10 families that were formed out of sentiment and emotion – arranged marriage, status oriented marriage, parental control over the decision of a sexual partner and abusive relationships are the norm, at least in the generation of my parents. And I am still quite young.

          Well now, if we taught a bit of social science and the humanities in this country we may not have to have such levels of conversation over family and homosexuality within a couple of generations. It wont happen, I know, but I can dream cant I?

          1. Puppy master
            January 22, 2016 at 19:35

            Thank you for an interesting and balanced comment it has been enlightening and was a pleasure to read.

    3. Puppy master
      January 21, 2016 at 22:09

      Vlad, you’re wrong! there are many cases of animals that have adopted different species, the giant turtle and baby hippo, dogs and cats. Why is it an anomaly for homosexuals to exist, it’s nature in the same way heterosexuals exist, they may not be the majority but who are you to decide what is right or wrong. When it comes to love, nothing can be wrong. Homosexuals make just as good parents as heterosexuals. And please don’t give me the old adage that it confuses children or they get bullied in school because that goes across the board in all walks of life.

    4. NICKDAVIS844
      January 26, 2016 at 17:17

      Well put Vlad. Have you also noticed their impudence to justify their case by using animal, often rare behavioural practices of ‘make do’ options, to be standards humans should justify as norms for lifestyles they and their adopted children will be encouraged to also copy?.

  3. Beverley Lorraine Hobson
    January 20, 2016 at 21:46

    There is a growing movement in the UK that is demanding the same rights for heterosexual couples who do not believe in “holy matrimony” but do need to be treated fairly and have security for their futures and their childrens futures. Here is an idea, why don’t we just have one law that allows any 2 people who wish to commit to each other for life and have civil rights regardless of their sexuality ? Too easy, too simple !!!

    1. Plasma Dawn
      January 20, 2016 at 22:48

      Since when is a religious wedding mandatory in the UK? I think what you are advocating for is called “civil marriage” and it is already in place.

      1. Beverley Lorraine Hobson
        January 21, 2016 at 18:29

        There is no option for heterosexual couples other than marriage either in a registry office or church.Civil partnership is only given to same sex couples which is not fair in anyones book. Many heterosexual couples have no religious belief so do not want to be “married in the eyes of the lord etc” and others do not want to go through a marriage in law . Many people feel that marriage is an outdated outmoded law and choose to live together without it. but then that gives them or their children no rights at all. The children are labelled “illegitemate/bastard” which is terrible for them and should be scrapped.It is hardly a childs fault to bear such a stigma for what its parents choose to do. The existing “civil marriage” is not what people are asking for it is the “civil partnership” that same sex couples have got. It is called equality.

        1. Plasma Dawn
          January 21, 2016 at 18:38

          Children may be labelled “illegitemate/bastard”, but that is by private people, not in the eyes of the law. I fail to see the practical difference between civil marriage and civil partnership. Anyway, a heterosexual couple can always go to a lawyer and sign a civil partnership contract which will be legally binding.

  4. Juju
    January 20, 2016 at 20:40

    Good news for Cyprus! Συγχαρητήρια! 🙂

  5. Didier Ouzaid
    January 20, 2016 at 17:25

    About time

  6. Slomi
    January 20, 2016 at 16:46

    A step forward?

    1. Arnt Otto Østlie
      January 20, 2016 at 18:46

      Pardon me for asking, Slomi, but why do you often veil your true opinion, such as with the question mark at first, but a Like to cyprus observer?

      1. Slomi
        January 20, 2016 at 19:12

        Thank you for giving me an opportunity to clarify me my status in this situation:).

        Around sometime back, once, I wrote about partnership that it is good for those who wish it and I congratulated to all. I was bombarded by two commentators who declared me “unnatural” and a sinner” in the yes of Holy Bible.I felt very uncomfortable. Though,I am completely hetro by Nature and Nurture but my choice of respecting the rights of people was very embarrassing to me on that day. Therefore.:(

        1. VampirePlatypus
          January 20, 2016 at 19:43

          You don’t need to worry about those bible-bashers Slomi.

          a) Some people are born gay. This is a studied, scientific, peer reviewed fact.
          b) This issue has nothing to do with religion.
          c) Gay relationships present no threat whatsoever to anyone. It’s not threat to their human rights and it’s not a threat to their religion.
          d) You don’t need to be gay to support LGBT rights, the same way you don’t need to be non-white to support racial equality.

          If someone is being abusive towards you, just don’t reply and report them. 🙂

          1. Slomi
            January 20, 2016 at 19:46

            OK.Thank you.
            I respect LGBTs and as well as hetro .

            1. NICKDAVIS844
              January 20, 2016 at 20:14

              Wrong decisions often have disastrous consequences for the future. Please reconsider if your conscience is 100% for.

              1. Slomi
                January 20, 2016 at 20:15

                OK.

              2. Puppy master
                January 20, 2016 at 20:50

                Who decided what was wrong or right? Is it not written that God is all powerful and all knowing, is it not written that he created the human race in his own image? What gives you the right to quote the teachings selectively and lastly your comments are questioning the greatness of God knowledge, surely he didn’t make mistakes…………! Open your eyes, open your heart and stop being scared, you never know one day you may have to deal with this within your family!

                1. NICKDAVIS844
                  January 20, 2016 at 22:00

                  Distorted by beliefs our nature does not cater for and ignorant of religious laws clearly condemning sodomy and lesbianism.The mistakes are made by choosing the ways of Gods enemy.If you don’t believe in God ,you are free use Darwin’s theory to justify relationships as those answered for you above.

        2. NICKDAVIS844
          January 20, 2016 at 20:05

          Well done Slomi. Respecting rights has limits dictated by God who made nature to be fertile.Their next aim will be bestiality by marriage and why not if you love animals?

          1. Slomi
            January 20, 2016 at 20:12

            phewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

            1. NICKDAVIS844
              January 20, 2016 at 20:16

              Look up to be surprised by how many ‘civilized nations’ have brothels using animals.

              1. Puppy master
                January 20, 2016 at 20:46

                Please enlighten me, I know of no country where bestiality is legal in a brothel or outside of one!

                1. NICKDAVIS844
                  January 20, 2016 at 21:22

                  Alabama; Arkansas; Washington, D.C.; Guam; Hawaii; Kentucky; Montana; Nevada; New Hampshire; New Jersey; New Mexico; Ohio; Texas; Vermont; Virginia; West Virginia; and Wyoming. You can find out the others

                  1. Puppy master
                    January 20, 2016 at 21:50

                    Sh*t, sh*t, sh*t, OMG, I am so sorry, I had no idea sh*t sh*t, excuse my language but I am in shock! I still stand by what I said above about consenting adults, however, this latest revelation for me is mega! It is an abomination, I have grown to understand the human race can be low, cruel and evil……now I realise there is no hope, I will go and stick my head in the oven.

                    1. Slomi
                      January 20, 2016 at 22:22

                      pathetic.

                    2. NICKDAVIS844
                      January 21, 2016 at 09:36

                      If you’r being sarcastic please state it as I am not well up on reading between the lines especially from any women whom I believe are the life givers to us all and should be our banner holders for children rights to a normal upbringing without them witnessing two females or two man in bed together. Human sexual lusts pioneering to new horizons are an anathema imposed on children,adults and animals forced to make money for their condoned pimps. We have witnessed in the news about the low level humans have degraded themselves to by selling young female children to buy arms for slaughtering kneeling captives. Standards have been manipulated to incorporate and justify sexual deviance’s destroying respect for our fellow humans by being promoted as human rights.

                    3. Puppy master
                      January 21, 2016 at 20:50

                      Stop ranting Nick and no I was not being sarcastic, I had no idea there was legalized bestiality in the so called Civilised counties on this small planet! I am horrified ……words fail me, hence the starred expletives! I did some research and found out the disgusting truth and really that along with all the other human failings of cruelty, corruption, greed etc makes me wonder when Mother Earth will make our horrible species extinct! The sooner the better, in my book. Personally I do not beleive in a higher thinking power and if I am wrong then it is not a particularly wholesome power but one that obviously enjoys nasty games, a little like a psychotic kid who tortures animals. I am however a spiritualist who follows the teachings of the prophets and aspires to live a good, loving, peaceful life.

                    4. Slomi
                      January 21, 2016 at 21:03

                      Beautiful.

                    5. Puppy master
                      January 21, 2016 at 22:37

                      I love you 🙂

                    6. Slomi
                      January 22, 2016 at 10:00

                      :))))Thank you my friend.

                    7. NICKDAVIS844
                      January 21, 2016 at 21:15

                      Please accept my deepest apologies. It was unexpected to find a supporter amongst all postings against. It is not my intention to preach to you but if you ever have the time please read about the Bible prophecies fulfilled to date and those that are shortly due to accommodate our horrible species to be (partly) extinct.

                    8. Puppy master
                      January 21, 2016 at 21:46

                      Nick you don’t need to apologise, you are a good person and feel joy from your religion, I chose to be Christened and confirmed when I was 14 years old when I fell in love with the teachins of Jesus Christ, as I’ve gone through life I have embrace multiple teachings from Budha, Zooastra, Confucious etc. the Bible is a wonderful work and I don’t want to try to undermind your passion, this would not be possible and definately not my aim but to expand on your already strong spirituality I advise reading some of the other teachings and embrace the peace and wisdom of teachers from all cultures. After all they are all from this planet and have wisdom only we can dream of.

                    9. Slomi
                      January 21, 2016 at 21:50

                      Yes, me too.I donot wish at all to hurt his religious devotion.

                    10. Puppy master
                      January 21, 2016 at 22:29

                      You never hurt anybody, you are too sweet x

                    11. NICKDAVIS844
                      January 21, 2016 at 23:00

                      What a lovely surprise to an end of a day. I believe that loving your fellow beings and all life on earth is what God demands of us. If our paramount interests are to live a long aimless life condoning others to prioritize their self satisfying practices that are against nature is as bad as doing them yourself. Does any of your teachings have as many prophecies that have been fulfilled as the Bible? For the life of me I can not understand how anyone can ignore a Maker exists for such a perfected everlasting precisely working universe. Christianity does not forbid knowledge of good behaviours so Confucius here I come. I also advise reading Bibles prophecies fulfilled and those soon to be due to our extremes of disobedience to Gods laws.

                    12. Puppy master
                      January 22, 2016 at 00:18

                      dear Nick, without disrespect there was a man with a sandwich board on Oxford street in London about 25 years back who prophesied the demise of human morality from protein, if you google him you will see he was quite famous. Less passion from less protein then lusting eggs etc. another with a sandwich board the end is nigh! The ultimate world reknowned Nostrodamus. If you are a true spiritualist, you can live your life on a righeous path without the fear of anything, it won’t save the human race but at least you will have the confidence you did the right thing where ever possible. Have a deep sleep tonight with set dreams.

                    13. NICKDAVIS844
                      January 23, 2016 at 10:40

                      You’v heard of the saying about crying ‘WOLF’. I was told that after the last war,London streets and Hyde park were never devoid from sandwich board carriers. I had often seen a few regulars ‘Doom is near’ in the 1970’s at Maida Vale, London. Are their false beliefs now our proof that all is fare in love and sex with no moral restrictions?

                    14. Puppy master
                      January 22, 2016 at 00:20

                      And by the way if it puts a smile on your face, when ever I worry about someone, I always find my self saying God please…………….! It just may not be the God identity you think of 😉

                  2. No_Name12
                    January 21, 2016 at 01:13

                    Alabama – Maximum of 1 year in prison
                    Arkansas – Maximum of 1 year in prison
                    Washington, D.C. – Maximum of 5 years in prison and a $10,000 fine
                    Montana – Maximum of 10 years in prison and a $50,000 fine

                    You really are posting major misinformation.

                    For the record, yes, there are no laws on bestiality currently in states like Texas and Kentucky. So happens that they are also states that have fought to the last moment against same-sex marriage. What are you trying to prove, really, by citing the US on bestiality laws? That the most anti-gay states tend to be the most pro-bestiality ones?

                    Helps your case.

                    1. Plasma Dawn
                      January 21, 2016 at 21:26

                      I started with the exact same list as you did but then I lost heart and I gave up. Facts never failed to fly high above people who were only interested in their own version of the world and were afraid it may be proven wrong.

              2. Plasma Dawn
                January 20, 2016 at 23:02

                Is having sex with animals any worse for their welfare than slaughtering them by the hundreds of millions? Would you volunteer a guess as to what their preference would be if they had a say?

                1. NICKDAVIS844
                  January 21, 2016 at 09:45

                  Abandon all hope for all those who compare human eating habits as worse than the sexual rape of Gods animals. The seeds we boil to eat have life we extinguish.

                  1. Plasma Dawn
                    January 21, 2016 at 15:08

                    So if you were an animal you would prefer to be slaughtered instead of bestialized? Leave God out of the picture, animals do not believe in God.

                    1. NICKDAVIS844
                      January 21, 2016 at 20:25

                      You can leave God out to suit your lifestyle while others suit their lifestyle by leaving God in. God made animals for us to protect in a world nothing in the universe is known to match its wonders. He did not give a right for indiscriminate or hunting rights for obtaining animal trophy’s like the killing of deer for their antlers or majestic lions and stuffing them with straw to boast about how brave they were to pull the trigger. God named the animals for our food including fish but expects us not to cause undue suffering to them. We kill herds of bison and deer ect for the love of their conservation of nature. Would we now have cow, pig,sheep, goat and many other farms, if we were all vegetarians? A scientist had fitted electronic sensors on a plant and found that signals changed when someone passed by it after having cut other plants nearby. So even plants feel.
                      Whether or how God rewards those that die for us is not known, but for sure to put a question like ‘to be slaughtered or be bestialized’ is not expected from an educated person to insinuate that if animals want to live they should consent to be bestialized.Shame on you even if you don’t believe in God.

                    2. Plasma Dawn
                      January 21, 2016 at 21:15

                      Leave God out of this or at least spare me references to him/her because I am not a believer and thus you may as well tell me how your Panama hat has created the world and gave you commandments and rules to follow for all I care. It is not a relevant factor in any of your replies to me so save your fingertips.

                      Furthermore, far from me to insinuate that if animals want to live they should consent to be bestialized. That is your twisted logic. However, if animals could talk I am sure they would choose the lesser evil. Do remember that animals have no morality, stigmas, or taboos – all these are uniquely human qualities. On the other hand, even a dumb animal will suffer immensely and oppose with all its might being hunted down for a trophy or slaughtered. Even humans preferred being sex slaves for the Nazis or the Japanese in order to survive and live for another day. The survival instinct trumps everything else.

                    3. Slomi
                      January 21, 2016 at 21:19

                      I appreciate and respect your honesty .

                    4. Puppy master
                      January 21, 2016 at 21:19

                      Me too 🙂

                    5. NICKDAVIS844
                      January 22, 2016 at 10:41

                      Its only natural for a person with no beliefs in an after life to grab every opportunity available for maximum pleasurable activities and benefits before their mistaken ‘dead end’. The survival instinct at all costs thrives in those that believe in no God to answer to. How many in history have voluntarily accepted torture and death rather betray their faith,family or country. You choice to consent to being raped should not be assumed to be a standard for others. On two occasions I have had the misfortune to be told, once by widow whose prisoner husband was raped by a Turk while on a ship to Turkey and when returned to Cyprus he drunk himself to death. The other was by an old man raped by the Turks during the invasion but religious law prohibiting suicide is what is stopping him from a hell of a life on earth..

                    6. Slomi
                      January 22, 2016 at 10:54

                      Dear 844, how you define”NATURAL”.

                    7. NICKDAVIS844
                      January 22, 2016 at 11:09

                      By first believing in the truths of our Bible and practicing its laws of acceptable behaviours that are all so obviously faultless to perform.

                    8. Slomi
                      January 22, 2016 at 11:12

                      Thank you.
                      Old Testament?
                      Or
                      New Testament?
                      I am serious.

                    9. NICKDAVIS844
                      January 22, 2016 at 18:56

                      Slomi the old Testament was given to the Jews but when Jesus came we were given the New Testament.to obey as well as for all Jews who accept Jesus to be the prophesied Messiah as written in the Old testament. It is best to read both to get a clearer picture of Gods intentions and disappointments such as those PD campaigns for. The best person to advice you are the professionals whose job it is to know their religion inside out.

                    10. NICKDAVIS844
                      January 22, 2016 at 19:46

                      Read the New Testament first as I personally find that the Old Testament has demands of the Jews that are hard to accept and may put you off
                      The best help though is from a Priest

                    11. Slomi
                      January 22, 2016 at 19:57

                      I have read it as well as Old Testament too. My mind does not accept the logic behind rejecting the Old Testament by us-Christian Catholics.
                      Are you not happy if I am just a good human being and trying to be a better human being in life through day and night working for the suffering humanity with my limited capacity?

                    12. NICKDAVIS844
                      January 23, 2016 at 16:10

                      Stay on the track you have probably passed the half way mark but unload all the worlds cares from your shoulders there is no way you can solve any of them so stop being a worrier and think, talk, read only about nice things in life. please.

                    13. Slomi
                      January 23, 2016 at 16:14

                      But,I have read all the religious books actually:))))

                    14. NICKDAVIS844
                      January 23, 2016 at 16:40

                      Then you are many times more enlightened than I am, well done. Go now to happy book readings rather than digesting the daily atrocities committed by (civilized?) men. .

                    15. Slomi
                      January 23, 2016 at 17:01

                      I do not call them civilized at all who are indirectly or directly are involved or patronize the atrocities against helpless people specifically condemn Middle Eastern refugees.

                    16. Slomi
                      January 23, 2016 at 17:51

                      I noticed your last word”men” now. Hey Nick, I don’t discriminate .A man can be a good person and a woman can be a some deviously cunning human being. There is no set principle or formula for human traits in the basis of gender.

                    17. NICKDAVIS844
                      January 23, 2016 at 18:20

                      It was meant not to include the few woman in history that committed atrocities. I see women as givers of life not takers.That is one of the reasons why two woman marrying is abhorrent for me to accept for them to adopt say a female child to become as them.

                    18. Slomi
                      January 22, 2016 at 11:11

                      If to follow Holy Bible then , We, Catholic Christians are a bit different than Orthodox Christians and then Protestants are different in many things from Catholic and Orthodox.Which sect you recommend?

                    19. NICKDAVIS844
                      January 22, 2016 at 22:26

                      From what I have discovered only about 25% of the Orthodox Christians here understand the outdated Church services and unless action is taken to satisfy today’s congregations, attendances will further dwindle, The Catholics were one step ahead and so you would be better off even with the minor differences.

                    20. Plasma Dawn
                      January 22, 2016 at 14:30

                      Rape per se is traumatic only for civilized humans and only in the context of their civilization and moral codes. Otherwise it is by no means physically worse than, say, a mild altercation. Animals do not have the concept of rape. In fact, sex between animals can often be violent and the male will chase, bite, and forcibly subdue the female – like lions do, for example.

                      Yes, the survival instinct at all costs thrives in those that believe in no God to answer to. Our survival instinct is beyond religion and faith. It is prehistoric and it precedes culture and civilization. It is innate, instinctive, animalistic, overpowering. The will to live trumps anything else in normal people, not to mention all other living things on this planet. But now you come and attempt to present it as something negative? What world have you recently arrived from?

                    21. NICKDAVIS844
                      January 25, 2016 at 15:04

                      In a world with a place called London. During my youth there eavesdropping after hearing a young woman’s crying on the shoulders of her friend, I heard the following words between sobs.”My husband had sex with me from behind”. The woman was given a short time to live from the resulting damage but I never bothered to find out more. Life leads to many guiding principles to follow, this was an unforgettable one.So the civilization and her beliefs were to blame for her injury?
                      “It is innate, instinctive, animalistic, overpowering. The will to live trumps anything else in normal people, not to mention ALL OTHER living things on this planet”.
                      Clearly now obvious, you’r single, no children and consider your life of paramount importance not to be sacrificed, if needs must, to save others. You wrote for what you believe of others I presume.

                    22. Plasma Dawn
                      January 25, 2016 at 15:32

                      The woman was given a short time to live from the resulting damage?! Too bad you never bothered to find out more about this incredible, impossible anecdote. Something crucial is missing in your story because unless he woman’s husband was an elephant, anal sex, as reprehensible as it can be to you, cannot possibly be fatal for healthy people of both sexes without any severe and life-threatening conditions.

                    23. NICKDAVIS844
                      January 25, 2016 at 16:13

                      All is in vain if we write lies to justify our beliefs.. I value yours to be respected as true but I am not a judge of bum hole sizes nor do I belittle the sacrifices of many recorded throughout history for surrendering their lives to save others. I have heard of times a women bleeding to death after NORMAL sex so your “cannot possibly,,” requires verification from surgeons or doctors to verify but what I reported I have heard using two ears is true but unacceptable as it opposes your beliefs. Pity no one else is reading to add to our knowledge.(if unbiased).

                    24. Plasma Dawn
                      January 25, 2016 at 17:38

                      Bleeding to death after normal or anal sex is exceptionally abnormal and is in no way, shape, or form indicative of dangers or contraindications by the medical world. It is, however indicative of a serious health issue that has nothing to do with sex. You cannot bring this as an argument against “sodomy”, particularly since you yourself mentioned normal sex in that context as well. A hemophiliac may bleed to death from a kitchen knife cut, but that has nothing to do with using kitchen knives by healthy people.

                      Your examples are irrelevant and naive. I see that in the absence of God in your arguments you cannot muster serious support to your arguments against the kind of sexuality that does not sit well with your personal moral standards.

                    25. NICKDAVIS844
                      January 25, 2016 at 22:16

                      I have never said or inferred that normal sex includes anal.Some time past I heard a TV commentary about an American famous actor who had normal sex with a woman and she hemorrhaged to death.Ask doctors to tell you that the skin of anal region of a woman is thinner and so more liable to damage. Support for my views are given by human nature but because the behaviour promoted by you is associated with that of an animals it becomes acceptable as an excuse for the deviants to continue practicing that of animal nature. .

                    26. Slomi
                      January 25, 2016 at 22:21

                      Terrible. some doctors say that yes anal sex with a woman causes many medical problems.In any case it is obnoxious and unromantic.

                    27. Plasma Dawn
                      January 25, 2016 at 22:25

                      Nick, I’m afraid you went off the deep end. Not only do you seem to not understand what I’m saying to you, you also come up with exotic examples that prove absolutely nothing. What exactly are you trying to say? Is it that one should refrain from normal sex as well because in some extreme cases it may have caused the deaths of a few poor women out of several billions? Or is it that normal sex is OK even if it may lead to death, but anal sex is not if it does?

                    28. Slomi
                      January 25, 2016 at 22:29

                      PD,he is off track.He has lost the main plot somewhere.

                    29. Slomi
                      January 25, 2016 at 22:30

                      yes docs say. But you are off the topic .

                    30. Plasma Dawn
                      January 25, 2016 at 15:42

                      We all write what we believe of others, don’t we? However, when I write about the indomitable will to live, I am writing with a very high degree of confidence based on myriad stories of survivors of shipwrecks, accidents, POW and Nazi concentration camps, wars, famine, earthquakes, and all other conceivable disasters that put our lives in danger.

                      I will not discuss myself in this forum and I would appreciate it if you stop speculating about my private life.

                    31. Slomi
                      January 21, 2016 at 21:28

                      You are a Bible follower like me (once upon a time). A little bit deviation now with due apology.

                      Tell me how one with a sane mind can have a mental satisfaction with Christianity when each sect says something else. I am raised in Christian Catholic family. If a Christian Catholic marriage takes place in the church -there is no divorce provision in our sect. In some other sects,cousins can marry between each other -in Christian Catholics no. So what is all this mess. It is better to be a humanist than to continue with this religious mess.Please talk about humanity.

                    32. Slomi
                      January 21, 2016 at 21:37

                      further in continuation to my comment to you below: and tell me please what is this religious holiness in forcing me to wear a long skirt in the church and not the pants?because Father says that men wear pants and women wear skirts.Is this something I should respect ?Why we are forced to confess our sins to FATHER?Who is he? a human being like us. If you are advocating this religion.Sorry-mind does not accept it.

                    33. NICKDAVIS844
                      January 21, 2016 at 22:17

                      Slomi, I believe that if you love God and have read the New Testament teachings I think you will find that you can communicate directly with God to confess your sins. Others though believe that the priest has the authority responsible for listening and deciding to forgive and so feel more comfortable about the result…Try and stop blaming God for humans deciding to have separate Christian religions that suited their then leaders. As to wearing pleasing pants, does it not include a desire for others to see you as attractive when wearing them? If so, do you want to attend Church and have the male human weakness for the opposite sex aroused?

                    34. Slomi
                      January 21, 2016 at 22:26

                      OK.
                      I did not mean to offend you at all.

                    35. NICKDAVIS844
                      January 22, 2016 at 09:22

                      You have not offended by asking it’s when the logic of the answer has no meaning to those not wiling to consider that humans are triggered to be attracted to each other and consequently when visiting a Holy place we do not leave this inbuilt magnetism at home to enable full concentration on prayer.If your body suits the make up of your good (except gay rights) intentions my mind would be concentrating on you, particularly if you are wearing sexy clothing. I don’t know the sex of PD but if a female would also do wonders when deployed by the homosexual organisation to sidetrack normal thinking male persons. Nearly all other females know their most powerful ingrained respected earthly role is to give life and love to their offspring’s and not use the ‘oral’ for two purposes against natures laws.

                    36. Slomi
                      January 22, 2016 at 10:45

                      There is always some dress code in respectable organizations. OK.I get it.

                      Now,I have another question of general knowledge.Here in Cyprus ,during the summer,I have seen many men/foreigners specifically just with shorts and without top.Wandering in the street and even sitting in pubs in evening like this. What is this?I have seen it for the first time in life.Why men roam around without top in Cyprus?

                    37. Plasma Dawn
                      January 21, 2016 at 23:10

                      What is this nonsense about women wearing pants? Where does it say so in the Bible? Furthermore, why are you wearing pants in church? Do you want to attend Church and have the female human weakness for the opposite sex aroused? You could be wearing a long soutane like the priests do.

                    38. Slomi
                      January 22, 2016 at 10:52

                      in Catholic Church ,Father does not encourage women sitting for service there in pants. I do not know about Orthodox church.

                    39. Slomi
                      January 22, 2016 at 10:54

                      I just have asked a question of general knowledge therefore.If women can not wear”sexy’dress. then why men are roaming in Cyprus without top .This is the only place where I have seen men without top and on roads.

                    40. NICKDAVIS844
                      January 23, 2016 at 10:18

                      Don’t allow her/him to hassle you Slomi, because you are dealing with someone demanding proof of origin of the universe otherwise it does no exist.

                    41. Slomi
                      January 22, 2016 at 11:10

                      I am trying t understand it .Very seriously.
                      Combining Old as well as New Testament-both.

                      I do believe in an omnipotent power/an invisible power which controls major things invisibly and one can feel it.Is n’tit enough to be a better human being? It gives me a trust in human goodness and asks me to stay away from evil.Is not this enough?
                      Do you think that it needs to be regimented by Holy Bible?

                      If so then , We, Catholic Christians are a bit different than Orthodox Christians and then Protestants are different in many things from Catholic and Orthodox.Which sect you recommend?

              3. Slomi
                January 21, 2016 at 10:11

                You think exactly like my God grand father here in CM.His name is Ted.I wonder where he is ?This is his favourite topic to discuss.

          2. Puppy master
            January 20, 2016 at 20:45

            Excuse me Nick but your argument is faulted, what is wrong with 2 mature human beings to decide who they should live with and love? Your bestislity and probably also paedofile argument is no argument as animals and children are not on the same level of intelligence, communication and maturity. Throw the bible at us but who wrote the bible………man!

            1. NICKDAVIS844
              January 23, 2016 at 09:30

              PROBABLY? Have we now regressed to include pedophile behaviours as normal? If so it was the expected as the next step to our degenerated society’s lusts to prioritize unrestricted sex. Such practices have bankrupted the makers of rubber sex dolls, but who knows they may come into fashion as a right to marry them.

          3. Plasma Dawn
            January 20, 2016 at 23:17

            God? Who is God? In order to have a valid and meaningful argument, both sides must agree on the basic premises. If you invoke an imaginary God of your choice who commanded you X, I’ll invoke my imaginary doG of my choice who commanded me -X, the exact opposite. The debate cannot continue if you invoke axioms not universally accepted.

            1. Puppy master
              January 21, 2016 at 21:21

              Wow PD powerful! Great respect! I am not anywhere near you league when it comes to debate, you are inspirational!

              1. Plasma Dawn
                January 21, 2016 at 21:30

                God bless you… ?

          4. No_Name12
            January 21, 2016 at 00:37

            You are the living embodiment that still gives credit to the French Revolution. Our state is not a theocracy. We would like to keep it that way, thank you very much. Which of the following passages should be enacted into law next?

            “Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be defamed. Those who have believing masters must not be disrespectful on the ground that they are brethren; rather they must serve all the better since those who benefit by their service are believers and beloved.
            Teach and urge these duties.” (1 Timothy 6:1-2 RSV)

            “But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of every woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God…. any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled dishonors her head …For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair …For a man ought not to cover his head; since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. (For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.)” 1 Corinthians 11:2-10

            “…the women should keep silence in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. If there is anything they desire to know, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.” 1 Corinthians 14:34-35

            We are not trying to ban you from practicing religion, so don’t come here all mighty thinking you have a right to ban anyone’s freedom; because the book you call scripture projects a different metaphysics of the Natural than ours.

            1. Puppy master
              January 21, 2016 at 21:22

              And it was written by Man!

            2. NICKDAVIS844
              January 23, 2016 at 08:59

              Be free to continue trying putting square pegs into round holes, but keep your distance from adopting children that your infertile debased lifestyles can not turn out.

        3. Puppy master
          January 20, 2016 at 20:41

          We understand Slomi, have you and I not been told to get married 🙂

        4. Arnt Otto Østlie
          January 20, 2016 at 22:38

          Cheers, Slomi, I am with you all the way in this question 🙂

    2. VampirePlatypus
      January 20, 2016 at 19:11

      The answer to that is a massive ‘YES’.

      It’s a very, very small step towards equality, but a step nonetheless.

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