Despite the government’s insistence that responsibility for the dramatic collapse of the Crans-Montana talks lies squarely with the Turkish side for refusing to budge on security and guarantees, independent observers have told the Sunday Mail that this claim is far from accurate.
They insist President Nicos Anastasiades missed an historic opportunity.
As government spokesman Nicos Christodoulides on Saturday announced Anastasiades will brief the National Council and the public on Monday on the events that transpired during the conference, information has started to emerge on the goings-on at the fateful four-hour dinner hosted by United Nations’ chief Antonio Guterres on Thursday.
The dinner ended with the UN chief announcing the failure to reach agreement and, crucially, the closing of the previously open-ended Conference on Cyprus.
The Cypriot government’s version of the events that transpired during the dinner suggests that, while repeatedly professing flexibility, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu instead insisted on publicly stated positions for maintaining guarantees, intervention rights and troops, accepting only a review of the security arrangement in 15 years’ time.
“The positions they submitted on security and guarantees, as well as the rest of the chapters, not only deviated from the UN secretary-general’s framework, but were such that under no circumstances could they have been accepted by our side,” Anastasiades said in a speech on Saturday, read out by Defence Minister Christoforos Fokaides.
“Due to the intransigence and insistence of the Turkish side on maintaining the Treaty of Guarantee and Turkey’s rights of intervention, as well as the demand to keep Turkish troops, there was no result.”
That may not be the full story. According to a UN source that spoke to the Mail on condition of anonymity, Cavusoglu had “conceded in private to us” that Turkey would be prepared to accept an end to guarantees and rights of intervention.
Reportedly, Turkey had also consented to a clause in Guterres’ framework for negotiations for the Crans-Montana talks, which stipulated a fall-back to the 1960 Treaty of Alliance figures for Greek and Turkish troops on the island – 950 and 650 respectively – with final decisions on whether these were to withdraw altogether, and when, to be made “at a higher level”, meaning the three guarantors’ prime ministers.
“When we signalled this to Anastasiades, he started insisting on zero troops,” the source said.
“He simply didn’t want it.”
Another diplomatic source shared a similar account in which Cavusoglu went out on a limb but soon reverted to Turkey’s publicly stated positions after Anastasiades demanded that he commit to the offered concessions formally.
“It was so close – it could have happened if Anastasiades had been willing to engage,” the well-informed source said.
“Turkey was willing to give hugely on intervention rights, and there was a possibility on the guarantees, maybe [after] a couple of years, with even the possibility of getting rid of it from Day One. There would also have been less troops. [But] Anastasiades wanted it in writing.”
Christodoulides could not be reached for comment, but media reports citing Cypriot government sources corroborate Anastasiades’ demand for the Turkish overtures to be submitted in writing, which may have been the dinner’s coup-de-grace as Cavusoglu refused to commit to any concessions before a comprehensive deal was struck.
“There were errors by everyone,” the same source said.
“There was a lot of pressure put on Turkey by the UN and by Britain over the fact that this was the 21st century, and the Turks ‘got it’.”
If they did ‘get it’, why would Anastasiades have balked at such an opening, instead of pursuing it furiously?
“There were probably all sorts of reasons for why he didn’t accept,” the source said.
“There were a lot of hardliners around him. He was tired. There was a lot of pressure and he couldn’t think clearly. He was on the verge of an historic deal.”
Pressure and cold feet might be perfectly valid explanations, but they ignore the 800-pound gorilla of the island’s domestic politics – next year’s presidential elections some six months away, in which Anastasiades is hoping to clinch a second term.
“I think he somehow thinks that the talks will just reconvene, but it doesn’t work that way,” the Mail’s source said.
Given the incessant on-and-off history of Cyprus problem talks, that may have been a safe assumption, but public remarks by key players after Thursday’s inglorious end – Cavusoglu’s “outside UN parameters” and Guterres’ “wish the best to all Cypriots” chief among them – could spell trouble on that front.
It is also understood that the UN and British teams that were working on the Cyprus issue are breaking up, and that UN special adviser Espen Barth Eide is moving on, although UN spokesman Aleem Siddique on Saturday denied Turkish Cypriot leader Mustafa Akinci’s public declaration that the Norwegian diplomat has resigned his post.
Eide is scheduled to brief the UN Security Council on the talks on July 19.
Regardless of how close a solution appeared during the dinner, and whose fault it really was, the fact remains that it didn’t happen. On paper nothing has changed, and yet this breakdown could usher in a new phase of tension, not least because drilling for gas in Cyprus’ exclusive economic zone, much to Ankara’s dismay, is scheduled to resume next week.
“The way things stand now without a deal, Turkey still has intervention rights in Cyprus,” our source said.
“The troop numbers would have been small and tucked away, and Morphou residents would be going home. Anastasiades blew it, the hardliners are backslapping, and now we’ve got a gas issue. He could have solved it, it was such a good deal.”
565 Comments
Chris
July 12, 2017 at 20:28Anything that is promised verbally behind closed doors is not abiding. If Turks were sincere in their alleged concession to terminate the right of intervention why didn’t they offered it in writing on the negotiations table? Written documents talk, verbal promises walk ! This article is not surprising given the traditional pro-turk stance of Cyprus Mail. It’s well known that they get their policy line directly from the British High Commission in Cyprus
Michaelz
July 12, 2017 at 11:18Mr Anastasiou and his source can freely accept turkish troops in their homes. I dont’ accept neither a greek or turkish soldier. No ’63 or ’74 all over again.
savvas
July 12, 2017 at 10:59Cat Cloudwatching still lives on Mars and I have no intension of discussing with extra terrestrials. I am not insulting anybody and since journalist critisise they should accept criticism as well. Read the comments below of other readers; I am not on my own. As I said I am not replying to you anymore.
Nameless
July 11, 2017 at 18:49Today Cavusoglu stated that the proposal of G/C for zero troops was “stupid”. Cyprus Mail cought lying
Cat Cloudwatching
July 12, 2017 at 09:36‘went out on a limb but soon reverted to Turkey’s publicly stated positions’
Of course there is a difference between what he can give during negotiations and the ‘official’ view usually stated in public.
Nameless
July 12, 2017 at 10:04Lie, since Anastasiades gave in to most Turkish demands for the internal matters. As Davutoglu wrote in his book “The strategic depth” (2001): “Even if there was not one single Muslim Turk over there, Turkey would have to maintain a Cyprus question. No country could possibly be indifferent to an island like this, placed in the heart of its vital space.”
Victor Cominos
July 11, 2017 at 12:18Here is an example of what will follow in Northern Cyprus…..
FAMAGUSTA GAZETTE CYPRUS•
Monday, 10 July, 2017
THE most senior religious figure in northern Cyprus has been taken into police custody in Turkey, as security forces continue to arrest those suspected of involvement in an attempted anti-government coup last year.
Dr. Talip Atalay, who is the Mufti of Cyprus, is being questioned in the district of Diyarbakir, according to Turkish press reports.
His detention is in relation to the banned Fethullah Gülen movement.
Other reports suggest he has been moved to the Mersin district for further questioning.
Atalay is a Turkish national, he was born and raised in Mersin, but moved to Cyprus in 1975 with his family after the Turkish invasion of the island.
He graduated from Selcuk University Faculty of Theology in Konya in 1990 . Atalay, gained a master ‘s degree and doctorate in religious education. He has published extensive theological research, books and other works over the last two-decades..
He is married and father of three children.
Atalay was appointed as the Head of Religious Affairs of northern Cyprus on 23 December 2010 and has been a high profile figure since.
Meanwhile, Turkey issued detention warrants on Monday for 43 people in the Prime Ministry and several banks over allegedly using the ByLock mobile phone application.
The ByLock is the encrypted messaging application almost exclusively used by followers of the U.S.-based Islamic preacher Fethullah Gulen, who is blamed by Ankara for orchestrating a failed coup attempt on July 15, 2016.
Six of those who had been issued warrants are currently on duty, while the other 37 were previously dismissed from their position.
Some 20 warrants were issued for employees of banks, including Central Bank and Development Bank.
The move is part of an ongoing investigation into the members of Gulenists in public institutions.
The Turkish government declared a state of emergency and launched a massive crackdown on Gulen’s supporters in the aftermath of the coup attempt.
HighTide
July 11, 2017 at 13:30Why should that follow in the TRNC, other than pleasing you sadistic tendencies? With the exception of a few individuals there is no Gülen support here, since the majority of TC’s are not religious. Even those with alleged links in Turkey are innocent until proven guilty (of what?).
Victor Cominos
July 11, 2017 at 15:07I would suggest that you go and tell Erdogon that there are no Gulenists in Northern Cyprus. It is a well know fact that if Erdogon decides that you are his enemy he will declare you to be a Gulenist and then you will disappear. it has already happened on a number of occasions and now to the Mufti Dr. Talip Atalay.
I don’t know where you have been. In the world of Erdogon, you are guilty until proven inocent and it is up to you to prove your inocence.
savvas
July 11, 2017 at 11:24I think that the Cyprus Mail in general and especially the journalist Angelos Anastasiou live on planet Mars.
They forget that the Turkish Foreign Minister Cavusoglu was stating from day one that ” if the Greeks and the Greek Cypriots believe that the Turkish troops will move from the island then they are dreaming and they better wake up.” Anastasiades is even accused from the political Leaders that he gave in on subjects without discussing with them beforehand. How dare do you say that Anastasiades ” blew such a good deal”? For years you are known to be Anglophiles and you don’t tell us how the British Foreign Office behaved in the Montana talks. Thank God that your paper is read mostly by British Ex Pats and not by the Cyprus public otherwise you would create a false impression to the Greek and Turkish Cypriot Community.
Shame on you.
Cat Cloudwatching
July 12, 2017 at 09:43Haven’t you ever heard that all parties start with maximalist position in public before conceding something during negotiations? Just how it works. That’s also why negotiations are also kept private and not broadcasted in live stream…
Think before insulting people. And for your information, cypriots do read this paper, for some propaganda free information.
Αρκάδας
July 10, 2017 at 21:26Then why did Anastasiades said yes in the 2004 referandum according to which the Turkish troops would be in place.
Cat Cloudwatching
July 12, 2017 at 09:43Because he was in the opposition with nothing to lose.
andreas
July 10, 2017 at 00:17If the president demanding ZERO TROOPS so Cyprus can be a free country without any occupying army on its soil, then God bless him for doing the RIGHT THING.
Halil Uskuri
July 10, 2017 at 17:26650 or 40000? He choosed 40000.
antonis/ac
July 9, 2017 at 17:58“Anastasiades ‘blew such a good deal.” Not so, says Niazi Kizilurek in an interview by Antigone S. Drousiotou in Philelftheros (9/6) On domestic governance Anastasiades gave the Turkish-Cypriots everything they wanted, political equality, the presidency and etc.; but for its own reasons Turkey blew it, he argues.
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 18:05So you say.
Can
July 9, 2017 at 17:16Once again history repeats itself the Greek Cypriots have effectively handed Turkey the green light to an anex northern Cyprus. So we Turkish Cypriots must say goodbye to our neighbours hopefully live in peace
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 17:38Annexation will not happen.
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 19:11Neither will independence.
HighTide
July 10, 2017 at 19:23Independence from the south is already there, all it needs is recognition by a few friendly states and that will happen soon. Stay tuned!
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 19:30I have been tuned for decades and verily believe that there are no friendly states interested in breaking the embargo of an illegal regime. Particularly as Turkey these days is on the nose. Turkey is internationally looked upon as if she has the plague. Annexation is as good as in place already.
HighTide
July 10, 2017 at 19:38Any of your rants do not come as a surprise. You are out of tune ever since you post here. Keep waiting a short while, you will soon have to revise your outdated views.
Victor Cominos
July 11, 2017 at 12:37As you can see from the BBC story below. Turkey is such a loved country that the sooner that she annexes Northern Cyprus the better that it will be for the TC.
The TC’s future in the world and in particular in the EU is more than assured.
The Austrian authorities have barred Turkey’s economy minister from entering the country to attend a rally to mark the first anniversary of the failed coup attempt.
Nihat Zeybekci’s visit would represent a danger to “public order and security”, an Austrian spokesman said.
The Turkish government did not comment immediately on the decision.
Relations are already tense as Austria has criticised the Turkish government’s response to the failed coup.
More than 50,000 people have been arrested and 140,000 dismissed or suspended during a state of emergency in place since the attempted military takeover last 15 July.
Thomas Schnoll, a spokesman for Austria’s foreign ministry, told ORF radio: “I can confirm that Foreign Minister [Sebastian] Kurz has in fact forbidden the Turkish economy minister from entering the country.”
However, Mr Zeybekci, he added, was always welcome to make a bilateral visit.
HighTide
July 11, 2017 at 13:25I don’t know how this story should relate to the “blown good deal” for Cyprus.
Austria, Germany and the Netherlands have barred Turkish politicians from holding public speeches in their countries in order to prevent carrying political disputes of Turkey into their own lands. Quite understandable.
What’s your problem with that, other than throwing your usual bucket of dirt?
Victor Cominos
July 11, 2017 at 15:19I am trying to demonstrate to you that Turkey is on the nose and that includes her satelite, Northern Cyprus. The EU and the rest of the world except for Turkey will not entertain the formation of another independent country in the Northern part of Cyprus. Nor will they entertain the North as a member of the EU or any other organisation for that matter.
HighTide
July 11, 2017 at 19:03The “rest of the world” does not give a hoot about your wishes. States will decide according to their own interests, not those of an unimportant half island. Hubris, your name is Greek Cyprus.
Victor Cominos
July 11, 2017 at 19:12You are right the world doesn’t give a hoot about my wishes and frankly I don’t expect them to. However on the same token they do give a hoot about the goings on in Turkey, Iraq, Syria etc. In particular they do give a hoot in relation to Turkey’s conduct because they have finally woken up to the fact that Turkey represents instability. I see that Germany has finally decided that enough is enough and is removing her air force from Turkey. If Erdogan continues to conduct him self as at present he must suffer the same fate as Adnan Menderes.
There once was a Turkish Prime Minister by the name of Adnan Menderes, who also thought he was a sultan, he too didn’t last the distance.
The situation would have been better if Denktash had suffered the same fate as his dear friend Adnan Menderes and cohorts dangling at the end of a rope on the 17 September 1961 but alas it was not to be..
Hopefully for the Turkish people the demise of the present Sultan will come sooner than later.
The worry is, how much damage will the present sultan do before he and his henchmen is eradicated.
HighTide
July 11, 2017 at 19:48German air force LOL. Four German planes helping with recce in Syria, now from Jordan. Big deal!
Victor Cominos
July 11, 2017 at 20:02Every big deal starts off small. I can remember when not so long ago Turkey was begging NATO to provide defence assets from the likes of Germany. Now Turky has got to big for her boots and things that she can push her weight around. Well we will see the fun. It is coming.
HighTide
July 11, 2017 at 21:33You don’t know bananas from cucumber. Nobody is “begging” NATO, it’s part of its charter to assist members. Get information instead of writing uninformed gibberish.
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 16:21The sooner that Erdogon gobbles you up the better. if you thought that life under the ROC was tough you are about to find out the real meaning of tough under Erdogon.
Can
July 9, 2017 at 16:25It’s time now for the Turkish Cypriots to get on with the real issue which is opening up maris
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 17:09Opening up for what?
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 16:24You will need to get Erdogon’s permission before you open anything especially as the regime in Ankara will need to underwrite the cost.
Alex Danos
July 9, 2017 at 14:41Another biased and absolutely ridiculous article from Cyprus mail…of course Anastasiades wanted it in writting!!! Are you for real? Anastasiades is an experienced lawyer that knows what counts in what is actually included in a written agreement and not chit chat ‘if’ and ‘maybe’.
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 15:36There can be nothing in writing on a single issue without the other points being equally recorded. It has always been clear that nothing is agreed until all is agreed. Where was written confirmation by the South on all other issues?
Alex Danos
July 10, 2017 at 22:42In any potential agreement the Turks wanted guarantees to be discussed again in 15 years (not necessarily amended just discussed with the theoretical possibility of revision). This was their official position. So what Cavusoglou might have conceded in private does not mean anything if that is not their official position and if it would not be part of the actual settlement. It’s like you are having a written contract with someone and instead of relying on that you rely on what they told you verbally which contradicts the written agreement.
Paul Smith
July 9, 2017 at 13:27Single unnamed source blames Anastasiades for talks failure. Strong stuff. Pulitzer calls.
kypselian
July 9, 2017 at 13:14CM became like Aljazeera. In one article they blame Nikos and in another they blame Turkey.
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 13:14You are obviously incapable to differentiate between news and opinion.
kypselian
July 9, 2017 at 13:52It was not an opinion it was news. They said they received it from a anonymous source. WT F!
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 15:37Cannot be news, because no journalist was present.
Paul Smith
July 9, 2017 at 16:39Yep, a journalist must be present to make it news. Including at plane crashes, natural disasters and murder scenes.
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 17:12Not a logical analogy. In your quoted cases the results are for all to see. Not so after a private conversation between negotiating parties.
kypselian
July 9, 2017 at 20:00so it is an opinion of CM that a source told them that Anastasiades didnt want to engage? does this make sense to you?
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 20:17Whatever you write has never made any sense, that’s why I can’t help you.
kypselian
July 9, 2017 at 20:25dont need ur help
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 20:45You are beyond help.
Slomi
July 9, 2017 at 21:06Now you can understand why I had refused to take up this case:(
kypselian
July 9, 2017 at 21:11i told u i dont need help. do u understand?
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 21:18And how you need help!
kypselian
July 9, 2017 at 21:58i dont need
Jonathan Scott
July 10, 2017 at 16:10She is supposedly a local psychiatrist, believe it or believe it not.
kypselian
July 9, 2017 at 13:13FAKE NEWS
YIAN SOL
July 9, 2017 at 13:05Θεωρώ πως τα ΗΕ, εάν αληθεύει η πληροφορία περί “μυστικής” μετακίνησης της Τουρκίας, θα μπορούσαν να την υπέβαλλαν ως “δική” τους συμβιβαστική πρόταση. ‘Ετσι, καμιά πλευρά δε θα δεσμευόταν αλλά θα μπορούσαν να ελιχθούν ανάλογα!!!
Για τούτο συμπεραίνω πως είναι δικαιολογημένη η καχυποψία για το πόσο ακριβής είναι αυτή η πληροφορία!!!!!!!
Γιώργος
July 9, 2017 at 13:01The illegal occupiers mail…..
Lam
July 9, 2017 at 12:15Unfortunately Cyprus is riddled with traitors who prefer to sign away the north for the expedience of money. Two State solution must be resisted at all costs. Instead all border crossings must be closed until a solution is found. GCs that cross over to the occupied territory are betraying their country.
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 12:43Nobody has signed away North Cyprus. It was taken in 1974. Come and visit.
Cat Cloudwatching
July 9, 2017 at 16:16Do you mean ‘stolen’?
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 17:12Whatever you say.
Can
July 9, 2017 at 16:16Loool
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 16:25You re so right.
Lam
July 11, 2017 at 00:29The worst is that “Paralimni” idiot. Can’t believe a GC wants the north recognised. Maybe he’s Turkish using a fake name.
antonis/ac
July 9, 2017 at 11:23Another CM journalist sold out to the Turks. Greece’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs has already posted a statement explaining what happened: ” International Conference on Cyprus: hard truths.” Read it.
“As soon as Turkey was face with the Secretary Generals proposal for a binding written record of the potential compromises, it was forced to reveal and admit its real positions and intentions.”
Nameless
July 9, 2017 at 11:08“Cavusoglu refused to commit to any concessions before a comprehensive deal was struck.” I can’t stop laughing, sorry!
Caulkhead
July 9, 2017 at 11:32‘Nothing agreed until all agreed’ has always been the basis for any settlement. Why, just because the President decided to move the goal posts, is Turkey any the more to blame?
Nameless
July 9, 2017 at 11:39Yes, he moved the goalposts for every issue but the army and the Guarantees because he wanted a solution, but Cavosoglu still refused. P.S. We would agree to what Turkey wanted and AFTER THIS Cavusoglu would commit himself to concessions??? Really???
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 11:43Why complain? We have a good solution as it is.
Nameless
July 9, 2017 at 11:49I disagree with this, but in any Cras Montana proved the obvious: “The solution of Cyprus problem was never in our hands, but Turkey’s (unless we will concede to Turkish guarantees, army and right of intervention
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 12:00Turkish guarantees were known as essential for a deal since many months.
Ignoring that, Greek Cyprus lost out.
Nameless
July 9, 2017 at 12:02Turkish guarantees = no solution
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 12:15You forget there is one. Look at the mountains.
Nameless
July 9, 2017 at 12:19The illegal one…
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 12:25Be my guest.
Nameless
July 9, 2017 at 12:48You don’t seem very pro-solution
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 12:52“Pro-solution” is an incomplete expression. Which solution?
Nameless
July 9, 2017 at 12:55The one according to UN resolutions and Human Rights
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 13:14Non enforceable UN resolutions were never part of settlement talks as accompanied by the UN themselves.
It’s not a “solution” that was discussed or even considered.
Nameless
July 9, 2017 at 13:15Turkey voted as well for the withdrawal of all foreign troops in Cyprus in 1974
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 13:38No connection to the current failed talks for a BBF.
Nameless
July 9, 2017 at 13:43If Turkey continues to asks for things contrary to UN resolutions (binding for all member states), then the negotiations will be failing. You know a normal state with guarantees from another country?
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 15:38Are you naive or just pretending? Past UN resolutions were not subject to the settlement talks, not even the UN themselves put them on the agenda.
Nameless
July 9, 2017 at 15:41UN resolutions are binding. Period
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 17:13Get yourself informed before posting nonsense.
Nameless
July 9, 2017 at 17:15Overwhelming argument. Anyway, stay with your Erdogan…
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 17:40What a primitive response. What has got Erdogan to do with such facts? If such resolutions were binding, the Cyprob would have been resolved long ago. Learn about politics.
Nameless
July 9, 2017 at 17:43The resolutions are binding. Turkey is just ignoring them. Just like every decision of The Hague Court. Learn realpolitik
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 17:53You are digging your hole ever deeper. Ask your Israeli friends how many “binding” decisions they have thrown into the waste paper basket. Turkey was never taken to the International Court in The Hague, don’t fantasize even more.
Nameless
July 9, 2017 at 17:56Same case with Israel. You forgot Titina Loizidou casw. Update your reading
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 18:07It shows your enormous ignorance on all such matters.
The Loizidou case was never taken to The Hague where only war crimes are dealt with. Stop being silly.
Slomi
July 9, 2017 at 18:02I can see that he is trying to put all burden now on the shoulders of UN. Why people do not take the responsibility of their own mistakes or actions.
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 16:41Face reality Turkey is totally at fault for the failure of the talks.
Slomi
July 9, 2017 at 18:00Then ROC should take this issue with three guarantors officially and if all agree in a mutual conference-abolish these by rectification in respective constitutional documents. Why delay?Its in your hands.
Nameless
July 9, 2017 at 18:08No, it is not in our hands. Everybody is for abolishing guarantees except Turkey and T/C leadership. As Ahmet Davutoglu, in his book Strategic Depth from 2001 states clearly: “Even if there was not one single Muslim Turk over there, Turkey would have to maintain a Cyprus question. No country could possibly be indifferent to an island like this, placed in the heart of its vital space.”
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 18:11What is this quote supposed to prove? You have confirmed yourself that Turkey will not abolish the treaty of guarantee, and it needs all signatories to do so.
So, keep waiting for better days.
Nameless
July 9, 2017 at 18:15Yes, that was the European Court of Human Rights. My mistake. And if this is the right solution, let’s make the same for Kurds in Turkey. Two states
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 18:29Go ahead and do it.
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 16:38No need to, the Kurds are already doing it.
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 16:37Hear hear. That is a brilliant idea.
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 16:37That is right the poor old Turks, what is left of them, will just have to wait for better days.
Slomi
July 9, 2017 at 18:25why do not you announce an official meeting on the issue?
Nameless
July 9, 2017 at 18:41Since Turkey declared that she consider this as sine qua non, how will it be solved?
Slomi
July 9, 2017 at 18:46Meeting will be announced for three guarantors .Why you presume that Turkey will not be in meeting.You have never asked for it till date.It could be through EU or UN in past but at the moment your president has thrown his ashtray again .
Nameless
July 9, 2017 at 18:53All those years the discussion is for everything, including the guarantees. That’s why at Mont Pelleran were the 3 guarantors as well
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 16:35Did not have to ask for anything as Turkey made it quite clear a long time ago that she would not agree. Turkey cannot be trusted so why waste time. The sooner that the EU and the rest of the world wake up to the duplicity that is Turkey the better.
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 16:33Because it is a waste of time when Turkey has made it quite clear that she will not agree. Enough time has been wasted.
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 16:32It is not up to the ROC to take anything anywhere. It is common sense that no country in this day and age is going to give carte blanch approval to another country to invade it at will. It is up to Turkey and the TC to renounce such stupidity.
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 16:30Quite on the contrary the TC have lost out. The TC losses began with the 1974 invasion and importation of the 200,000 Anatolian illegal settlers. We really should feel sorry for the TC because they are in an immovable position.
Vandy
July 10, 2017 at 19:54did they really lose? if it was not for the turkish army there would never have been a single turkish cypriot left
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 19:59If they gained so much why are they begging for reunification. Mustafa made the approaches to the ROC for his constituents to be allowed to return to the Republic. One day the TC, what is left of them, will be living in the “Turkish Municipality of New Anatolia”. Now that is what I call a real gain.
Vandy
July 11, 2017 at 19:33its the greeks who want reunification. the turks are happy to live their lives seperately
Victor Cominos
July 11, 2017 at 19:56Quite on the contrary, the GC have nothing to gain and everything to lose if there is a reunification under Turkey’s terms. In fact it was fact it was Mr. Mustafa who went cap in had begging the ROC to readmit the TC into the Republic of Cyprus . The GC are better off having noting to do with the trouble making TC. In time you will see the TC will be singing a new tune and it will not be a happiness song.
Victor Cominos
July 11, 2017 at 19:58Quite on the contrary it is the TC who wanted the reunification. Mustafa went cap in hand begging the ROC to take the TC back. The ROC is better off without the TC in the North and in particularly without the illegal Anatolians.
Slomi
July 9, 2017 at 11:57It seems an issue related more to ego and not with rationality and negotiations skills.
Slomi
July 9, 2017 at 11:56Exactly.
Mong Hlop
July 9, 2017 at 16:32we heard this BS in the past and saw what happened… never again we trust in BS
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 16:27Face reality Turkey has never had the intention of getting out of the North. In fact Turkey was looking for a reason to set foot on the island for decades. Talking to the Turks is a waste of time. Deeds speak louder than words.
antonis/ac
July 9, 2017 at 10:57Another CM journalist sold out to the Turks. Greece’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs has already posted a statement of what happened on its website:” International conference on Cyprus: hard truths.” Read it.
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 11:43Greek’s Fatto would not say anything else, would he?
antonis/ac
July 9, 2017 at 11:55CM just published the whole statement. Read it, you may learn something.
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 11:59That’s what the statement says at the end, announcing the truth:
“The Turkish foreign ministry said also on Saturday that responsible for
the collapse of the Conference on Cyprus in Switzerland, were the Greek
Foreign Minister Nikos Kotzias and the Greek Cypriot side.”
antonis/ac
July 9, 2017 at 12:05No the statement by the Foreign Ministry of Greece did not say that. That was a CM insertion. You are as deceiving as your compatriot Cavusoglu, Braveheart. Now I am still waiting to hear from you, why did you change your name?
Robert Brown
July 9, 2017 at 10:34As usual a very biased title. If they were not willing to put the offer in writing…it was not an offer. Anastasiades was right not to give everything for a rumour.
Slomi
July 9, 2017 at 12:00SIR, it is for your information that many offers are always put on negotiation table in all negotiations and therefore these discussions are called “NEGOTIATIONS”. No offer is subject to any decision on any unilateral basis.
The above is one of the basic principles of the negotiations and hence included in Masters level “Procurement” subject as well as in “Contract Managements”.
Muchacho
July 9, 2017 at 10:31Good to see CM back on form… Some of its articles were a little too impartial, I was getting worried!
Georgia Michaelides Saad
July 9, 2017 at 09:21And your ” well- informed ” sources are obviously not that well- informed …
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 09:24Your “sources” are?
Georgia Michaelides Saad
July 9, 2017 at 09:19I think you should check your sources when you publish articles instead of publishing whatever comes into your head. Unsubstantiated and prejudiced article. Try to do better next time!
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 08:27What’s the point in crying over spilled milk? Life will go on happily in two separate states.
Lam
July 9, 2017 at 12:18But you are not happy with your illegal state hence you keep turning up to reunification talks, indeed this last attempt was launched by Akinci!
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 12:28The latest failure was started by the UN with the cooperation of both sides. Now, we have to go our separate ways. If there was anything illegal involved, neither the UN, EU and any other participant would have been sitting at the same table. Of course, you may sue yourself and I wish you good luck.
Lam
July 9, 2017 at 12:33But you keep turning up. You even voted a pro-solution president. What’s wrong with your utopian Turkish state in Cyprus???? Why do so many TCs want to live in a reunified Cyprus?
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 12:36If you have not noticed yet: the type of desired solution is quite different from north to south. TC’s which to live in their own state, be it in a federation (now dead) or independently. Surprised?
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 16:47Well they cannot have the cake and eat it. The TC are sitting on stolen property and anything except the current status quo is not negotiable. There is no Federation or State on the table. All that is left is more control from Ankara and the eventual extinction of the TC. Oh happy days.
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 16:45And why do they want ROC passports and citizenships?
Slomi
July 9, 2017 at 12:44Even if Jesus will preside the next round of negotiations, these are still destined to be failed as politicians have sold their souls.
Mong Hlop
July 9, 2017 at 16:33an EU state and an enclave subservient to the islamic sultanate…. enjoy
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 17:14Take your pick.
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 16:43That is right, there is nothing to be gained by the ROC pursuant to the proposals put on the table by Turkey so why bother even thinking about reunification. Leave the TC to their own devices.
xenonx
July 9, 2017 at 08:16The UN and all “foreign” participants who thought there would be a solution are naive.
antonis/ac
July 9, 2017 at 05:42” If you tell the same lie enough times people will believe it, and the bigger the lie, the better.” (Josph Goebels.)
But the President is going to speak to the people of Cyprus tomorrow and set the record straight
RebelJim
July 9, 2017 at 09:51That habit and principal goes back to Byzantine days.
athessalonian
July 9, 2017 at 04:40A no facts article, with the exception of the obvious irreconcilable differences by the negotiating parties, regurgitating alleged “he said she said” plausible yet unsubstantiated scenarios, revealed by an elusive source that goes by the name “our source.” Wasn’t worth reading…
Slomi
July 9, 2017 at 08:49ouch!!!
repulsewarrior
July 9, 2017 at 01:51…i ask, again, after this meeting, what is Mr. Akinci, beside the representative of “Turkishness”?
…who elected these men? I suggest, not “Greeks”, and not “Turks”, (they have their own candidates).
…i am still rooting for Mr. Anastasiades, he at least is wearing two hats, and i will add not a “Greek” hat.
One Cyprus, One Turkey, why should it be any different? A Cyprus divided, is a Turkey divided.
As Individuals there is this choice, to defend each other without further distinction or discrimination, because in Freedom we are equal. There are no “deals” on Universal Principals, Lest we Forget.
…new thinking includes the courage to say it like it is. Cyprus exists. Those who died as Cypriots, their betrayal concerns me. Think about it. I remember. They did not die for being “Greek”, they did not die for being “Turkish”; those, the “Greeks” and “Turks” who busied themselves’ killing found their victims in those not “them”. This is the Cyprus Problem: “this” must stop.
Liberty, that which is involved with our respect for each other as Persons, if there is Freedom, is based on trust. This is the crux of the Problem, what with “their” influence on the Agenda, for Cyprus. What is the Flag of Cyprus but a rag, to “Greeks” and “Turks”; the other half as i call them; where is the Justice in a solution for “them”, a “new” Flag for Cyprus? There can exist Cypriot Constituencies, it is the great compromise from a Unitary State if you will, to a BBF; not unlike America, or Canada, or Australia, all BBFs and successful for example; in Cyprus’ reform, and in Turkey’s , it is the intentions which count.
Turkey is not “Turkish”, it is Turkish. Cyprus, for the same reasons leaves Cypriots in the same misery.
Erdogan is the “but one”, it is his Legacy, one way or the other which will come to pass, for “Turkishness”, the way he sees it, or for Turks, the Citizens of this State, one Country, diverse as they are willing to defend each other: a Constitution reformed (or a “new” Turkey).
In Cyprus, two men can lead: as Cypriots. Anastasiades has played his cards well enough to be the representative of Cypriots, and what is called the “Greek Community” (read: that which is not the “Turkish Community”). At this historic moment, it is Akinci with all the power in his hands, with the choices he has. And at this moment in History it is the depth of his courage which will save us (those of us not “Turkish, or “Greek”), if he loves us as a People, if he loves this island, if he is neither a “Turk” or a “Greek”, but Turkish and Cypriot, if he is a Citizen of the world, instead of the “Turkish” representative.
As a Cypriot, in joining with his counterpart, representing, not “Greeks”, not “Turks”, but Cypriots who appreciate their diversity as Persons, he may also provide in Turkey hope for its Turks. Akinci at this moment cannot look to Erdogan’s Turkey for guidance, and i believe it is the other way around. He may inspire a template for Turkey’s own reform, something where they (the President, and the Constituent’s Representative) may provide an answer where Erdogan agrees because it is his way in resolving what is his own Problem, in Turkey. A State, undivided, a BBF, where there is self-representation, as Individuals, as equals without further distinction or discrimination, a voice for these People where there is Justice seen, (especially toward those who were murdered to prevent that). And beyond this governance, at another level of Government, a set of constituent states where as Persons an electorate may sustain these identities with respect and recognition of their minorities, acting themselves’ as majorities with Grace. What is wrong with that, within one Cyprus, or one Turkey, or perhaps one Syria, or Iraq?
Next week, war; eh? Not “Greeks”, not “Turks”, but Cypriots deserve better.
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 07:35A nice thought, but naive.
Kyrenia
July 9, 2017 at 12:32What gobbledygook!
Muchacho
July 9, 2017 at 00:57Good to see CM back on form. Wouldn’t want it to deviate to far from its ideology. I.e GC: Devil incarnate
TC: The sun shines from its a***
Mist
July 9, 2017 at 00:35The National Council blew a good deal, not Nic.
Kyrenia
July 9, 2017 at 01:26A deal that paves the way for a future intervention by Turkey to enable it to take controll of the rest of the island is not good.
The True Cypriot
July 9, 2017 at 10:57…and that is exactly why we need Turkey to protect us.
Kyrenia
July 9, 2017 at 12:16Turkey would like to eradicate all Cypriots!
Kibristan
July 9, 2017 at 00:30When you step back and look at the matter it might be that as far as the GC majority is concerned this is a success.
Yep, if you will only accept a good deal if it means you are given everything you want then refusing anything less is a success.
What a guy eh? ?
No_Name12
July 9, 2017 at 00:54Not really. Most people are disappointed. The rest is celebratory rhetoric by those who support the status quo and do not want any kind of bi-communality even as a necessary solution to the situation, or politicians playing the blame game so that they avoid criticism of having anything to do with the collapse. Politics as usual. The rest of us are really really disappointed.
Kibristan
July 9, 2017 at 09:44I therefore wonder if a referendum would have had a majority regardless of any semantics within the deal.
Slomi
July 9, 2017 at 12:02To be honest, there should be a referendum now instead of any further dragging (after President is re-elected)and the issue should have a closure at local level .
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 16:51To be honest I have no doubt that a referendum of the ROC inhabitants would vote a big fat NO. The ROC citizens do not want to surrender their sovereignty to the regime in Ankara.
Slomi
July 10, 2017 at 18:55Whatsoever be the outcome, but it will bring a clear situation for future. better for both communities.No?
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 19:17It depends on which you look at it. The GC have their independence and nothing to gain by voting YES. So if the TC are happy to remain under the patronage of the regime in Ankara that is fine. Since the awful day that Turkey invaded Cyprus in 1974 it was clear to the GC of the situation.
Slomi
July 10, 2017 at 21:40No,once the situation will start taking some shape then rationally half of island will not live in EU and half out of it.Either all will be EU or otherwise.
Ambiguous
July 9, 2017 at 00:27The ECHR said: Go to the IPC
A class action by Kyproulla was thrown out by an American court. Judge said; two much water under the bridge and that the TRNC was a viable state.
Not much of this is published in the Greek press.
The next move is partition. This was their last chance. The TRNC (look up Google maps for TRNC) flag on the Beş Parmak Dağlar will remain forever.
Peter G
July 9, 2017 at 04:26You are full of it, and a liar. What American Court was that , moron? The one that said that the TRNC didn’t exist and therefore could not be sue in Washington, DC?
hh faris
July 9, 2017 at 00:21I am glad the Greek Cypriots are waking up from their deep sleep and realize they have been taken for a ride by their selfish, lying, hypocrite leader Anastasiades, I would like to thank President Akinci for his tireless efforts trying to bring lasting peace in Cyprus, I wish you President Akinci peace and good health sir.
Ambiguous
July 9, 2017 at 00:29I wish President Akinci a long and happy life too hh. In fact I’ll visit him and shake his hand.
hh faris
July 9, 2017 at 00:37Thank you Ambiguous, wish him well tell him we are proud of him. Regards
Mong Hlop
July 9, 2017 at 07:46oh so moving to see morons worshiping the village idiot
Mong Hlop
July 9, 2017 at 07:42fart is back with an odor for the gutless puppet
Slomi
July 9, 2017 at 08:51An inappropriate comment in expression.
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 09:02Puerile blabber.
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 16:57Obviously you have been for a holiday to Disneyland. The Turkish Cypriots are the ones who have been taken for a ride by Erdogon’s puppet Akirci. Erdogon is the organ grinder and Akinci is the puppet. Akinci does not need thanking for being a dud and a time waster. Akinci doesn’t have the back bone to stand up to his masters in Ankara. What a waste of space. History will show that Akinci sold his people down the drain.
marasara
July 9, 2017 at 00:15Unnamed sources… Sounds like fake news from the usual suspects. Anyway…
No_Name12
July 9, 2017 at 00:58The quotes in the article are not new. They have circulated a lot the last few days. Probably the sources are legit and the individuals work for the UN and do not want they identity to be named as the UN officially takes no side in disputes.
It’s how you dress up the quotes and in what context you present them that matters. This is one journalistic narrative along so many we have seen the last few days trying to find out who’s to blame. We’ll see what the UN Secretary General will report in his report. The rest is just journalism to spice up sales and views or political blame gaming to negate the fault to somebody else. Im tired of it, arent you?
Chris Christodoulou
July 8, 2017 at 23:52There are no more good or valid reasons for Turkey to be keeping (approximately) 40 thousand foot soldiers on European Union soil. I do understand though, that Turkish-Cypriots have right to feel safe and secure in a European Union without Turkey. Hence, the protection of Turkish-Cypriots, safeguarding their rights in a future unified Cyprus, is something for the EU to ponder.
The True Cypriot
July 9, 2017 at 00:19European Union soli?
No such thing.
Anna Antoniou
July 9, 2017 at 00:48What do you mean?
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 07:37It’s Cypriot soil. Membership in a club does not change that.
The True Cypriot
July 9, 2017 at 10:59Since when was the EU a country that owned land?
You have been in the EU for 13 years and its clear you don’t even know what the EU is.
Anna Antoniou
July 9, 2017 at 12:43Really? Judging from this comment alone, you appear to be a generalist, racist and an enemy of democracy and society as a whole. Next time when you talk to people, try not to undermine them, and maybe you will get somewhere. You don’t even know me and your original comment and reply don’t even make sense.
The True Cypriot
July 9, 2017 at 22:55You must read my post again – My comment is about your lack of knowledge about the EU.
No racist comments whatsoever and certainly no undermining.
However, I do not see why correcting a clearly wrong statement is wrong or how you construe that to be racist.
Clearly, you did not read my comments properly.
Halil Uskuri
July 9, 2017 at 00:48Who said Turkey wanted to keep 40 thousand soldiers? They offered to reduce number to 650 which was stated in the RoC constituotion!
No_Name12
July 9, 2017 at 01:04Treaty of Alliance particularly, not the constitution.
Muchacho
July 9, 2017 at 10:28I read that the final offer from the Turks was 1800 troops but this was on the incyprus website.
Halil Uskuri
July 9, 2017 at 11:16Is the number more important than waking up to a unified country?
Muchacho
July 9, 2017 at 12:15The number is not so important. The abolition of guarantees and right of intervention is of paramount importance and we don’t know for a fact that the Turks agreed to this, only that they were willing to POSSIBLY agree. We will never know now anyway.
Halil Uskuri
July 9, 2017 at 12:20Okay, but do do you beleive that abolition of guarantees will stop Turkey to intervene? I mean, Turkey is not the guarantor of Syria but they intervened. They accepted to reduce number of troops to 650 in 2004 and TC’s accepted this.
Muchacho
July 9, 2017 at 12:31No, I don’t but I believe that it would make it far more difficult to do so without backlash from the wider international community. The fact that this became a sticking point for the Turks suggests one of two things; either they wanted to withhold to giving full agreement to use as leverage for negotiation on other chapters or they know it would make things far more difficult if they wanted to intervene in the future and never really planned to agree to the abolition of these rights officially. Troop numbers are irrelevant to an extent, it is the context of why they are there that is important.
Halil Uskuri
July 9, 2017 at 12:38The best way to agree on no troops was to earn trust of TC’s. Think about these two years. Responsibles of attacks to TC’s was not punished. We coulsnt agree on having roaming on mobile phones, while 2 of the 4 companies are owned by the same company; Vodafone. Moreover, I beleive that political equality (no matter rotating president) is not accepted by GC authorities. In these conditions, what ordinary TC’s think is “Greeks do not care about us and doesnt see us equal”. Thats why most of the people relies on guarantees. And leadership cannot go outside the border of this taboo.
Muchacho
July 9, 2017 at 12:50You talk about earning trust but I believe that if we wait for this, there will never be a solution. It’s a Catch-22. You can’t implement the mechanisms that allows trust to be gained with giving compromises through a solution. Yes, there are some CBMs that have been put in place and there has be bi-communal projects but these will never solve the problem of trust at a political level, only a social one. I for example, would accept gradual withdrawal of Turkish troops to 650 but cannot accept that Turkey have the same intervention rights of 1960. If this was accepted by you, for example (maybe you do, I’m speaking hypothetically) then we have reached a compromise and by taking the plunge, true trust can be gained. Give and Take, it’s scary but this ‘plunge’ needs to be taken by both communities for any real lasting solution and trust to succeed. If we are not willing and this was made apparent at Crans-Montana, then we can’t just blame our leaders for the failure as they are reflecting their respective communities’ fears.
Halil Uskuri
July 9, 2017 at 13:16Of course i will not create trust at day 1. However, we should start from somewhere. We can not live in a Cold War. It was Cypriots who gave the opportunity to Turkey to intervene. No matter Turkey has intervention right or not, other topics are more important. All the occupations finds a support from inside. If we create a democratic state, without old fashioned vetos or dictatorship of majority, a real democracy, Turkey, or Greece or anyone else can not find a step to intervene again.
Muchacho
July 9, 2017 at 14:04In my opinion, other topics are not more important. As important, yes but not more important. Real democracy in terms of meaning is debatable. You’re right that we need a type of democracy that is water-tight and I agree with the conditions you state are unworkable but does a truly perfect democratic system exist and was the proposed solution with regards to governance a fair one? Who knows, the media and our politicians it seems were stuck at security!
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 17:17And what have the TC done to earn the trust of the GC? The answer is a big fat nothing. In fact the TC treachery goes back to the early days of the British colonial rule. The TC want and want more. With 18% of the population they think that they are special and deserve a deal better than the rest of the population of the ROC.
Well it isn’t going to happen. From the ROC point of view it is better to have no deal than a bad deal. The TC are not going to be allowed to hold the rest of the population to ransom at the behest of Turkey.
Halil Uskuri
July 10, 2017 at 17:32Okay let me telk you what TC’s did. In 2004, and way before, they accepted all the offers. They accepted to give back land. Includig Morfou. After that, they changed their history books to eliminate hate which GC’s can not do it since today. We demonstrated lots of times against Turkey.
Furthermore, 300 000/1000000 makes 1:3 of ratio which is almost two fold of 18%. Moreover, as GC’s who makes up 1/500 of EU can have political equality as Germany in EU, why TC’s can not demand it? Is GC’s special people?
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 19:06Dear Halil, I have no desire to show disrespect to
you.
Please face reality the TC have never been in a
position to accept any offer. The masters in Ankara make the rules and they use
the ordinary TC as a stooge. Like every community the TC have been led by intellectuals
who are the puppets of the likes of regimes such as the one in Ankara. Such
intellectuals were Denktash, today’s problem has been manifested a long time
ago.
The list the atrocities committed by the TC against
the GC and their fellow TC as collaborators of the British is endless. Denktash
has openly admitted having given orders for the insurrection against the GC. He
and his followers were tools of the British who did everything to sabotage the
independence of Cyprus. Rest assured that the TC were traitors to their own
cause and now they are paying the penalty. Erdogon with his new constitution is
going to make mincemeat out of what is left of the TC. Erdogon’s conduct against
his fellow Turks is evident. The final solution for the TC is fast approaching.
The TC were led by the likes of Denktash who was
determined to surrender the TC to the Turks. The plan was on the Denktash
agenda back in the 1950s
Please understand that the ROC is not going to
accept any deal, and quite rightly so, where Turkey is going to retain as right
to justifiably remain in the North or for that matter again invade the island.
The other thing that you need to understand is that
the EU is an association or organisation and so is NATO and in such a situation
it is acceptable for any country to retain veto rights. On the other hand, veto
rights are not permitted within a country, it cannot happen and will never
happen in Cyprus. Because the stupid constitution as insisted upon by the British
in 1960 allowed the TC to veto the legislative programme of the majority of the
Cypriot people you have today’s problems. Remember the British and the Turks deliberately
drafted the unworkable constitution.
Incidentally equality relates to individual people
and not communities. The Turkish community in Germany has no right to veto the
legislative programme of the German government or for that matter that of the
British government. The Mexicans who live in America do not stop the government
from functioning. Anybody who has British, German or American citizenship has
equality but as individual citizens not as a community. This why I say the TC
want more than they are entitled to have, they are not special people. If they
want equality they have to behave themselves like every other citizen of Cyprus.
Under your proposal 18 TC are better than 82 GC. Well if that is the case then
20 million Kurds in Turkey are entitled to veto rights or better still their
own homeland. One day it will happen. The Kurds are getting stronger by the day
and they are regularly taking the battle all the way to Ankara and Istanbul.
Erdogon and his cronies will not stop the Kurds.
Please get it out of your head, the bit about
comparing the EU and Nato constitution with that of the Republic of Cyprus.
They have nothing in common.
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 17:10There is a difference, with a guarantee Turkey can argue that she has invaded legally without one she is a pariah. At the end of the day as always the TC want to much and it is not achievable.
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 17:06Most certainly. It is better that there be no unification that to allow even one armed Turk soldier on Cypriot soil and a stupid guarantee agreement in place.
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 17:04You must be joking. Do you really believe that Ankara’s offer was genuine. Where have you been for the last since 1974. Even better go back and take a look at Turkey’s intentions as far back as 1950 and beyond.
Halil Uskuri
July 10, 2017 at 17:25Turkey offered 650. Similar as Annan Plan. If you are looking for someine guilty go to Anastasiadis.
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 19:20Turkey’s offer and that of Annan was and is hollow. Sorry the guilty party is the regime in Ankara. I cannot blame Mr. Mustafa because he has no real control over the situation. If Turkey was for real she would have started to remove the Anatolians and troops a long time ago. Turkey doesn’t need an agreement with Anastasiadis to send the Anatolians and troops back to their place of origin.
Halil Uskuri
July 10, 2017 at 19:30Yes always Turkey and Turkish Cypriots are guilty. Why Turkey should remove troops before an aggrement? Who daid Anatolians cannot stay? People from Bangladesh, Pakistan, Ohillipines etc can stay but Turkish people can not. Why are you racist?
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 19:41It has nothing to do with being a racist. The fact of the matter is that Turkey put them there to deliberately change the demographics and if they stay they will be a cost burden to the ROC. It seems that you do not understand that it takes a lot of money to bring about a successful reunification. I do not see your friends in Turkey providing the necessary money. That is right anybody who came to the North illegally has to go. Anybody who was put there without the approval of the legal government of the ROC is not an ROC citizen and as such is not welcome. You try and go to a country through the back door and see how long you last. Reunification is too hard because the TC want too much and Turkey doesn’t want to get out so it better to close the crossings along the green line except for very special occasions. Denktash kept the Green Line closed for a long time. It has been done before so lets do it again. The inhabitants of the ROC have the most to lose with reunification while the ihihabitans of the North who after all are siding with Turkey have the most to gain.
Turkey should remove the troops before an agreement because it would show that Turkey was for real. Do you really believe that anybody believes anything said by Turkey. Modern history shows that Turkey says one thing and then does another.
Halil Uskuri
July 10, 2017 at 20:33Turkey will pay the price when the reunification happens. Is RoC legal when it is running without a vice preiddent, against its constitution? You ask for inpossible things. Turkey will never leavr the island without an aggrement being reached.
RoC should allow its citizens to use freedom of movement so closing borders will not happen, sorry.
Once again, YOU ARE A RACIST.
hh faris
July 9, 2017 at 00:49Future unified Cyprus, What are you talking about Chris??? Your leader Anastasiades blew ‘The good deal’ something for you to ponder, WAKE UP!!!
Chris Christodoulou
July 9, 2017 at 11:35I think it will happen. Because all Cypriots want it.
Mong Hlop
July 9, 2017 at 16:36unfortunately TCs cannot be independent from their masters wishes
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 17:02Anastasiades far from blew, it was blown a long time ago in Ankara. Face the facts.
No_Name12
July 9, 2017 at 01:00Turkey never asked for 40, 000 soldiers to remain. It held the position that a small disparagement, probably the TOURDIK one in the treaty of of Alliance (650 soldiers) should remain, along with the Greek ELDYK one (950 soldiers). It demanded for the guarantee system to remain for 3 presidential terms (15 years) and be reviewed an evaluated after that. The GC position asked for no troops, even of a small number, and for guarantees to be immediately abolished after 10 or 15 years without review.
I mean you can say no to that, but get your facts straight. The vast majority of soldiers were to leave in the Turkish proposal. Turkey’s position was practically what was included in the Anan Plan, which stipulated the same. As for the EU, well troops are stationed all over Europe from non-EU members, with the example of US soldiers being the most evident. It doesnt contradict the EU to have soldiers here, the question of small army groups of Greece and Turkey remaining in Cyprus is a matter of oppositional positions in the negotiations, not of EU compatibility.
Chris Christodoulou
July 9, 2017 at 11:07I think there are good intentions on both sides. The (long running) Cyprus problem must resolve to the benefit of all of it’s peoples. The future looks bright for Cyprus in light of the hydrocarbon finds. Things will move forward to accommodate this industry regardless. EU Cyprus ‘will’ benefit by default. Turkish-Cypriots can benefit also.
Question: Do Turkish-Cypriots feel safe next to Greek-Cypriots. Or do they feel safer next
to Turkic settler’s from Anatolia?
For me, safety and security guarantees can be negotiated at EU level, without foreign troops being stationed on EU soil.
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 17:01Anybody who thinks that Turkey has good intentions must be on drugs. Actions speak louder than words. Turkey has never had any intention to allow the reunification of Cyprus. Any reunification that would allow Turkish troops to remain on ROC soil is a fraud and cannot be tolerated. All troops wether they be from Greece or Turkey have no right to be on ROC soil and for that matter it is time that the British got out of the bases as well.
I'llbeback
July 8, 2017 at 23:38We need to know if all this is true or false. Time for the NA to make a public announcement or at least and interview. Any GC leader who turns down a 759/650 troop ratio is a fantasist and a Helenic dreamer and a crafty career politican who needs to cater to thousands of business owners in the south who are afraid of a solution.
No_Name12
July 9, 2017 at 01:05Under the Anan plan, the same system was to established..
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 17:19And it was a waste of time too. Thank goodness it was scrapped.
Sotiris Stavvy Georgiou
July 8, 2017 at 23:24Turkey has such a great record of honesty and sticking to agreements. Not keen on politicians on all sides but where is the harm in agreeing to it in writing? if genuine? CM is owned by the UK version we have seen lately what BS they have been coming out with before during and after the UK GE…….i hate the sources BS from all media its a cop out to print whatever pleases. I also find it difficult to agree to the PMs of the 3 so called Guarantors deciding on anything let alone troop removal. Theresa May recently called Erdogan a great leader give me a break if he was he would remove his troops. Instead he will now revert to threats over oil etc. The usual propaganda claims from the other side of the divide have begun already nobody does it better than the Turks after all does the world even Know that the TmT existed? if they were to be believed there were no GCs murdered in the 60s. It was simple to agree to put it in writing but as we know Turks never move the goal posts do they and stick rigidly to agreements. There had to be something binding…..after all when they were defeated in ww1 they relinquished all rights to the British and yet here we are they occupy and control 37% of the island same old different day……
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 17:26The British were double crossers from way back. In the first world war while the British were urging the Greeks to fight on they were drinking coffee and doing behind the scenes deals with the Turks in Constantinople. What has changed, a big fat nothing. Boris Johnson is a waste of space and so is his fearless leader Mrs. May. it is time for the Turks and the British to get out of Cyprus. Alternatively expressions of interest should be invited to establish and lease a new base right next door to the one occupied by the British. The British can spy on the middle east and say the Russians can spy on the British.
disqus_qVKPczqCH5
July 8, 2017 at 23:09Good deal for who ?
Bruce
July 8, 2017 at 22:30iI the Turks were genuine in their offers about troop withdrawals and guarantees why did they hesitate to put it in writing as Anastasiades wanted?
Orhan Ozdes
July 8, 2017 at 23:08Because he is not in a position to demand and get everything!
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 17:27He certainly is in a position to ensure that his people are not betrayed. He had every right to make the demands and even more.
Mike Kourouklaris
July 8, 2017 at 22:28” According to a UN source that spoke to the Mail on condition of anonymity ” … Ofcourse. Was this before or after your visit to the khazi. Hope you’ve got a copy of CM with you … save on bog roll.
Geogrge
July 8, 2017 at 21:32Hahahaha haha,
I am still smiling. Good job, those erdog turks tried to weasel around their robbery.
Sonar
July 8, 2017 at 21:39I see the propaganda machine has been serviced and working roll on passing the buck
Orhan Ozdes
July 8, 2017 at 23:10Great literature
Maz
July 8, 2017 at 21:23More CM propaganda
sovietkiss
July 8, 2017 at 21:06if we look at europe political map..there many countries are smaller than cyprus like monaco sanmarino Liechtenstein malta andora luxembourg..there is no need insisting on united cyprus
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 17:29None of those countries are truly independent.
anatoli999
July 8, 2017 at 20:47“independent observers have told Cyprus Mail” Taking your cues from The Fake News Networth CNN. Shall we call Cyprus mail the Fke News Cyprus Mail now. How about the real coverage of the talks without anonymous or independent sources. The talks failed Not because of Anastiadis but because Turkey promised withdrawal of Troops and many other things but would not put it in writing. Yes thats right, they gave their word and everyone knows that a Turks word is nothing but garbage just like this so called newspaper. So keep up your lies with your fake news.
hh faris
July 8, 2017 at 21:00anatoli999 P/%s off and read another newsmedia if does not suit your propaganda.
Kibristan
July 8, 2017 at 23:39well excuse us for troubling you.
What’s the matter? The ELAM cafe closed today? ?
Mong Hlop
July 9, 2017 at 07:48together with gay wolves cafe
Orhan Ozdes
July 9, 2017 at 08:59Distrusting everyone but yourself, what’s your next move on Cyprob? Declare war on Turkey?
hh faris
July 8, 2017 at 20:46My Greek Cypriot friends, You have all been deceived by your leader again, this man Anastasiades was the biggest hope for peace the Cypriots have had for decades, this was the time for Anastasiades to show to the world Greek Cypriots willingness for a peace settlement, but the coward blew it away, I do not believe Ankara will ever take part in further negotiations for a peace settlement. It will be fun to read comments made by those imbeciles who always blame Turkey and Erdogan for the negotiation failures.
George Styliano
July 8, 2017 at 20:56What a load of stupidity expressed in the comment by hh faris above.
Kyrenia
July 8, 2017 at 20:58Always blame them. Poor little souls. They’re so blameless aren’t they?
Stephanie Marcou
July 8, 2017 at 21:28What a let down Anastasiades is, showy , bombastic and disingenuous in his stated desire to reach a solution. If TC side was offering a much reduced army presence for a trial period, post settlement then why not accept the offer and COMPROMISE.
George Styliano
July 8, 2017 at 22:24I thought he compromised far too much. Ever thought of suggesting a compromise by Turkey or the regime that runs the occupied territories?
Orhan Ozdes
July 9, 2017 at 09:01Sometimes thinking tend to be dangerous!
George Styliano
July 9, 2017 at 09:07and sometimes it can prevent you from danger. Thanks for warning us all.
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 17:37If Ankara had started removing Anatolians and troops from Northern Cyprus say 12 months ago there may have been some consideration to the waffle that emanated from Ankara. But alas it was not to be because typical Turks wasn’t what they have stolen and more. Instead of showing some remorse they are standing there brazen as if they have done nothing to be ashamed of. Anastasiades will never accept the proposal as it is not in the interest of the ROC.
Stephanie Marcou
July 10, 2017 at 23:06Your choice of language is unfortunate.The term Anatolian is meaningless. If Turkey has brought in Turkish nationals who have populated the North, Greek nationals also have come to the South in large numbers. So what are TCs entitled to exactly? Oh I see they are just another bunch of Anatolians (unlike the racially superior GCs ) who have “stolen”Cyprus. No they are a part of the Cypriot population and they are entitled to live in peace and dignity.
osman
July 8, 2017 at 23:00I think you’re right – Erdogan made more concessions than any other Turkish president , and it’s now more likely that he’d never make such concessions again.
Mong Hlop
July 9, 2017 at 07:49not good enough…. enjoy the harem
osman
July 9, 2017 at 23:26What’s ‘harem’?!! my advice to you: express yourself clearly so that I can understand what you mean by these few garbled words, otherwise, you’re just wasting your time.
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 17:33Concessions, what concessions? Anything that came out of his mouth was not a concession. Concession for who. Maybe for the TC but not for anybody else.
osman
July 11, 2017 at 04:12Well if you believe that nothing Turkey concedes isn’t ‘concessions’, then that’s your problem; but I see real concessions.
Victor Cominos
July 11, 2017 at 09:39Sadly, you are the only one who can see concessions, nobody else can. The fact of the matter is that under Erdogon’s policy it is more of the same.
osman
July 11, 2017 at 22:23what about the American politicians and American press who report on such concessions? Are you denied all that.
Mong Hlop
July 9, 2017 at 07:48fart keep your odors for your kind – no sale of BS here
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 17:32Anybody who claims to be a Cypriot and is willing to retain Anatolians and Turkish Troops and Guarantees is not really a Cypriot. He is a Turk and as such deserves to remain under the total control of the regime in Ankara. Anastasiades responsibility was to the ROC and thank heavens he did the right thing.
Victor Cominos
July 11, 2017 at 09:45Unfortunately the imbeciles are the Turkish Cypriots who have placed them selves in the no win position. Yes Turkey and the TC are most certainly to blame. That is the fact of the matter. Oh happy days.
sovietkiss
July 8, 2017 at 20:07Annan Plan rejected by GC as well..İt is clear greek side wants no deal no peace
George Styliano
July 8, 2017 at 20:14No peace on Turkish and its loyal ally Britain’s terms. No.
Orhan Ozdes
July 9, 2017 at 09:02But we have peace, George my friend!
HighTide
July 9, 2017 at 09:03Ever since 1974.
Kyrenia
July 8, 2017 at 20:16We have peace now. We also have the moral argument on our side. No bad deal thanks. Turks can keep their ill gotten gains.
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 17:42Yes it is better to let the Turks retain their status quo and keep their ill gotten gains rather than allow them have any more.
hh faris
July 8, 2017 at 20:52Didn’t Anastasiades vote YES to Annan plan 2004?
No_Name12
July 9, 2017 at 01:09Yes, But Anastasiadis aimed to bring a plan that had certainty in passing at a referendum. Key topics such as the return of refugees and the guarantees are important enough to shift t he vote to no.
Could he bring a compromise? Of course. Would that be risky politically? Yes. Would a second GC No mean partition and the shift of blame on the GC side. Probably. He didnt take the risk. And here we are.
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 17:39And correctly so. The so called Annan Plan had nothing to do with Annan, he did not draft the plan. It was another scheme to appease Turkey. Poor old Annan’s name was used to make the plan look legitimate.
emba paphos
July 8, 2017 at 20:02the joke of the whole matter is we all think that a deal any deal would have been voted in by both sides….hurdles would have paved all the way
James Shawcross
July 8, 2017 at 20:02This article makes no sense. The idea that Anastasiades would decline a deal that allowed for the complete withdrawal of Turkish troops by a specified date, no guarantees or intervention rights, as well as the return of Morphou and Varosha to its legal owners, is just absurd. The fact that the Turkish side was refusing to countenance the return of Morphou, was unwilling to agree a sunset clause for troop withdrawal and was still asking for derogations from EU law suggest that they were never serious about coming to an agreement. The only criticism one can make of Anastasiades is that he went to Switzerland naively believing that a deal was possible when so many issues were still outstanding.
emba paphos
July 8, 2017 at 20:04You may well be right, but the truth of who really said what needs to be relayed to all cypriots….
Muchacho
July 9, 2017 at 12:02It never will be as only politicians know what was truly discussed!
emba paphos
July 9, 2017 at 12:04yup and they are known for their honesty and straight answers (NOT)
Muchacho
July 9, 2017 at 12:08I believe the most logical stance to adopt is that all sides failed and the blame should be evenly distributed. Both GC and TC leaders aimed for a solution, both came back to their respective communities empty-handed. The blame game is fun for coffee shop style banter but at the end of the day, just hot air as the true facts will never be revealed without some sort of spin.
MAT WIESER
July 8, 2017 at 20:24A fresh air of logic and reasoning…
This time CM surpassed itself in absurdity…
Orhan Ozdes
July 9, 2017 at 09:06Pl remember, that this was a peace conference, but Mr.,A. Putting the cart before the horses considered himself as the victorious commander with 40000 troops behind him, and kept on putting conditions and demanding, demanding and demanding. And he got what he was after,çNothing!
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 17:43You are so right.
Dr Spok
July 8, 2017 at 19:59We are debating with people who think the Turkish Coup attempt wasn’t staged. No point even debate this, sadly.
Kyrenia
July 8, 2017 at 19:49Sources come cheap. Why are they scared to come out? So now we’re being told it’s all the victim’s fault. Give us a break.
emba paphos
July 8, 2017 at 20:03i guess if they are u.n sources they cannot, as they cant be seen taking sides
G.CH.
July 8, 2017 at 20:06It’s no surprise, Cyprus Mail has a very clear line. They would defend it even by citing sources from Mars….
emba paphos
July 8, 2017 at 19:42“The way things stand now without a deal, Turkey still has intervention rights in Cyprus,” our source said
sums it all up really….
Kyrios Peri
July 8, 2017 at 20:14If Turkey wanted success, they would have put forth the proposal sooner and with more clarity. Why not hand over a document, if this was a plan of some plan possibilities? If they were sincere, why wait till the wee hours, if the position were known to the UN (I see no mention that the TC knew)? If they had these ideas going in and were sincere, why would Turkey falter in their “leadership”? by balking at it in writing? Why would an experienced politician like Cavusoglu balk at a break to put together a brief? Come on people….See this for what it is….blame ROC for not being ready or astute enough to recognise a good deal. Really? Setting up false hopes via UN, if the source can be believed, then have them dashed by “comprehension” issues? and no one else at the table knew except the UN and even then, all the staff and people present couldn’t tug Anastasiades’ lapel for a break to talk it over….come on people….but I must say, if true, an excellent escape strategy wouldn’t you say? Make it look like the other guy screwed up.
Orhan Ozdes
July 9, 2017 at 09:09Mr C should engage you as his advisor. Pitty you made yourself known a bit too late.
emba paphos
July 9, 2017 at 11:57Nik has been pandering to the demands of the TURKISH side from the start, refusing initially to the idea of parallel tables and all matters interconnected etc etc …in time he will agree to some form of gaurantees for the tc admin zone as has been the push by akinci from the outset….this and the rotatiing presidency in exchange for morphou or parts of it……
Victor Cominos
July 10, 2017 at 17:49Again it is a deal that totally benefits the TC who are the delinquents. Why do they deserve to be rewarded for bad behaviour. They do not deserve to be rewarded and so the status quo must remain until such times as every illegal Anatolian and armed Turkish troop is removed from Cypriot soil. If the TC love Turkey that much so be it let them continue to be fed by the regime in Ankara until the day of extinction comes.
Quasimodo
July 8, 2017 at 19:29Of course, it’s quite clear now. Greece and GCs do not want a solution, only Turkey and TCs do. The one and only Cyprus Mail ladies & gents!
Philippos
July 8, 2017 at 19:25Successive Greek Speaking Governments of Cyprus are just like the Palestinians – They never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity. I am so disheartened that I am now a fan of a negotiated recognition of a second state. After 43 years of incompetent fannying about by our “Leaders”, that is where I have now arrived. Join me?
elbmw
July 8, 2017 at 19:45If your dishing out “states” then I wan’t one too. The reason I want my own state is that I cannot agree about anything with anyone else on the island and feel insecure when I visit. I don’t need a lot of land as only my family and myself will live there. Maybe some friends will visit from time to time. So I need a third of Lefkosia as I will need a capitol and access to the sea so I can export my hydrocarbons, a third of which belong to my state. I need part of Mesaoria to grow crops and some of Karpasia and a bit of Paphos would be nice so I can watch the sunset, so not that much land really. I will make myself King and President of my state. You will need to show your passport *and* pass an IQ test to enter my state. That is to ensure that I get only a handful of people soiling my land. Welcome to the Sensible Cypriot Republic of the East and West. SCREW for short!
Is that OK? 🙂
Sonar
July 8, 2017 at 20:51Enjoyed reading and smiling
Philippos
July 9, 2017 at 10:01Ok, its fantastic! The bit about IQ Tests is brilliant, I think that that is double brilliant and we should push for that at once. May we also add Compulsory Recycling. An hour a week cleaning up the environment, and a complete ban on smokey noisy vehicles as well as ALL Sand Buggies and Quadbikes
elbmw
July 9, 2017 at 17:11For sure, all buggies and quads would be banned from all built up areas and only allowed on terrain that they were designed for. i.e. in the fields and sand and then only in designated areas.
Recycling is a good point but rather than just disposing of the rubbish and then having to spend an hour a week cleaning it up it would be much more fun collecting it and once a week putting it on a plane and flying over Turkey and dropping half of it on them and then continuing over Greece and dropping the rest on them. They would then have to do a deal with me to give me a few billion pounds a year to stop doing that. I learned that trick from Turkey.
But Philippe, what do you mean by “we”? Don’t forget it is my kingdom and you would have to address me as Your Majesty, King of SCREW! 🙂 🙂
Paralimni
July 8, 2017 at 20:12I agree with a heavy heart I said so on another thread and was called a traitor by some peasant
Muchacho
July 9, 2017 at 12:03You always were judging by your comments in the past. Don’t make out that you’ve just had this revelation now because it is insincere.
Neroli
July 8, 2017 at 19:23Thank you for the article CM maybe some of the commentors on here will read it properly! Our so called leader was not the man for the job! I wonder what the other papers are saying?
Dr Spok
July 8, 2017 at 18:58How could any deal include the right to intervene in a sovereign state , get alone a European state. The days of the Ottoman empire are long gone and the Turkish regime should realise that. I’m sad the world’s powers didn’t app!y pressure ,so that demands that have no place in the civilized world were not even allowed on the table.. Turkish forces are probable only 5 minutes flying time from Cyprus so why they insisted on a troops presence just doesn’t make sense. Any way, I and my TC friends will continue to have good relations and get on very well. I’m just sad that my mother will not see her village in the North freed from Illegal occupation in her life time. Shame on àll the world’s major powers who can’t solve this tiny problem called Cyprus.
The True Cypriot
July 8, 2017 at 19:07Its not your state – read the constitution.
I agree with your wider sentiments, but Cyprus does not belong to the GCs.
Dr Spok
July 8, 2017 at 19:34Where did I say or imply that?
The True Cypriot
July 9, 2017 at 00:25A “European state” is how you described Cyprus.
Only the GCs are in the EU, so by implication you suggested that the GCs own Cyprus.
We have equal rights even if the UN does nor enforce those rights – that is why Turkey is here.
Dr Spok
July 9, 2017 at 01:35All my TC friends have European passports!
eren3_eren
July 9, 2017 at 05:47Only advantage passport have is they can travel easier. Hardly any other benefit.
The True Cypriot
July 9, 2017 at 10:46Yes I know that.
The GCs will withdraw those passports at some future point, in my view.
eren3_eren
July 9, 2017 at 05:45EU and UN shown thier colours many times after Annan plan why should TC trust them?
Kyrenia
July 8, 2017 at 20:36Then who?
The True Cypriot
July 9, 2017 at 00:26Good question.
You own the South and we the North,
Kyrenia
July 9, 2017 at 00:36All Cypriots own all the island. Turkey illegaly occupies the north.
Paralimni
July 8, 2017 at 20:15If Turkish Troops did leave and granted they are only 5 mins flying time away, technology has moved on now from 1974 Turkey would lose vast amounts of men trying to land on Cyprus again. Hardest thing to do in warfare is to land troops on a beach head or drop by plane you will lose shed loads.
Sonar
July 8, 2017 at 21:05Forget the the rest of the world, to them we are insignificant island were tourists go. This mater is ours to sort out
So recognition for the North, some land exchange,boarder adjustment, money changes hands, two independent states trading freely with each other..
eren3_eren
July 9, 2017 at 05:40Have you ever asked your self why world major powers don’t give rats backside to your problem? Let me give you a hint… Because they know about your lies and smoke screen is just that. ” boy that cried wolf” come’s to mined. And worst you actually believing in your own lies…
Do you remember how many times Hellenic dreamers and churches attempt to rid of TC?
Do you know how many small countries have protected by others?
Just a few facts let’s not get in to this.
George Styliano
July 8, 2017 at 18:43The fact is that the majority of people of Cyprus would not vote for a solution which means keeping foreign guarantees which limit Cypriot independence, the military presence of foreign armies in the Republic of Cyprus and a rotating presidency which would in essence ensure that democratic norms that exist in the rest of the Western world are ignored in exchange for some ethnicised undemocratic state which allows the minority will to dictate policy. Anastasiades despite his own desires to go much further had no choice. Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot leadership showed no will to compromise on major issues and as such the blame is theirs for the collapse of the talks. I for one am glad. Future talks should start only after the presidential elections in the Republic of Cyprus in 2018 are over and a new strategy and vision should be developed by Cyprus.
The True Cypriot
July 8, 2017 at 19:07OK – so partition then!
George Styliano
July 8, 2017 at 19:32Not the only solution. No that would not be a solution that either the Republic of Cyprus or Greece would accept in the foreseeable future.
The True Cypriot
July 8, 2017 at 19:38I know that, so the present status will continue.
The only problem with that is that a lack of peace in a very small island that will be armed to the limit, in a dangerous region, is not a good outlook for GCs or TCs.
Something will spark a conflict.
A peace deal based on 2 states is the only way to go and whatever the GCs/Greece does, its very clear that the world is bored with Cyprus.
George Styliano
July 8, 2017 at 19:51Not necessarily for ever. The parties may decide to start talks again or geopolitical and political changes may come about that ‘force’ them to talk again. The fact is that without Turkey letting go of the their illegally occupied territories of island, and the anachronistic ‘rights’ that they and Britain forced on the Republic in 1959-60 there will be no change.
The True Cypriot
July 9, 2017 at 10:41You can only replace a treaty by negotiations or force.
The 1960 Treaty exists and force clearly failed.
We are both guilty of breaches – our side through the retention of land post 1974 [though we will argue that we still want to negotiate a peace deal] and your side by joining the EU.
The “republic” did not exist pre 1960, so your grasp of the truth is very weak.
Had the 1960 Treaty not been agreed, partition, or war would have occurred back then.
George Styliano
July 9, 2017 at 12:26I never said the Republic existed before 1960 so your argument lacks complete validity.
The True Cypriot
July 9, 2017 at 22:22“and the anachronistic ‘rights’ that they and Britain forced on the Republic in 1959-60.”
That is your quote above.
So, please do not criticise me for highlighting your erroneous comment.
Nothing was forced on the republic, as you allege.
The Treaty was a deal agreed in Zurich and by all 3 guarantor powers.
That is the truth.
George Styliano
July 10, 2017 at 02:11That is 1960, not before. Yes tthey were forced by the threat of war. Britain, Turkey and the United States threatened the leaders of the Cypriots to accept the Zurich-London ‘independence’ and constitutional agreements that were destined to create ethnic conflict and division on the island. Sure the Greek and Turkish Cypriots had divisions, but they were neither allowed to deal with them or build common interests after 1960. The whole deal was made to ensure the divisions that emerged in the 1950s were maintained and indeed strengthened and manipulated by foreign powers, which ultimately led to conflict. That is the truth. And it’s those same forces today that still truly wont let the the Cypriots build a country which respects all its citizens rights and does allow the minority to play a significant role in all political institutions but not at the expense of creating a state which is functional.
The True Cypriot
July 10, 2017 at 02:17It was and is a treaty – it can only be repealed by agreement.
I am not arguing with your view of history although I do not agree with all your views.
Some 57 years on, you and others need to move on and accept we have a right to self determination.
Clearly we cannot goverm jointly.
George Styliano
July 10, 2017 at 02:29If I lived another 570 years I wouldn’t accept self-determination of what is an illegal entity. In international law you have no right to self-determination and your claim to it is built on a crime. The vast majority of people who lived the occupied territories till 1974 were Greek speaking. The Turkishness of northern Cyprus was built on a policy of ethnic cleansing, war crimes and cultural destruction. In conclusion, therefore, the occupied north neither has the right to self-determination, morally or legally.
The True Cypriot
July 10, 2017 at 11:14Heard it all before – look forward, not back.
Ultimately, its not your call and we do not see ourselves as illegal.
Crimes were committed against us as well.
We wish to live as good neighbours and I hope that you and others can get over the past.
George Styliano
July 10, 2017 at 21:40Im over the past. I live in the present. Cyprus will remain an unsolved sore between us however because living in the present does not mean you abandon the fight for justice or what is morally and legally correct.
Heard it all before too. Your’s is a very Turkish argument in Cyprus..
You want to build your state on robbed land which explains why you cannot allow yourselves to see what your leaders have done is nothing but immoral and illegal. Somehow you think that by telling people that you want “live as a good neighbours” and that they should “get over the past”, they will somehow allow you to make an injustice and justice without a fight is a joke. Take your positive outlook built on falseness and sell it to people who have less depth and fail to see right through you, because this people with its long civilization, see right through you! Thieves.
(To anyone else reading this I do not mean the Turkish Cypriots as a whole community)
The True Cypriot
July 11, 2017 at 16:14We lost land and people to.
As for the rest of your comments, it seems to me that you really do not want with us.
Your only line is to blame everything on Turkey and you have not even hinted that the GCs/Greece was responsible for anything.
I can see through your hatred and racism of all things Turkish,but you will keep posting as you do because you are blinded by that hatred.
As for your wider point about “civilisation” , where were the “civilised” GCs when EOKA were busy killing people prior to 1974?
George Styliano
July 11, 2017 at 19:28I have no hatred for either the Turkish people, or the Turkish Cypriots. Neither do I have any racism toward them. I don’t know how you made that assumption.
What I do dislike are the policies that the Turkish state (in alliance with Britain) and the Turkish Cypriot leadership and its military arm TMT imposed on Cyprus. TMT killed Greek Cypriots too. I condemn any violence that was inflicted on Turkish Cypriots by EOKA, as much as I condemn the violence that was inflicted on Greek Cypriots by TMT and the Turkish Military. But in my opinionthe evidence suggests that it was Turkey, and of course Britain, that encouraged the Turkish Cypriots to turn on the Greek Cypriots and vice versa, to sow the seeds for division, invasion and partition of Cyprus. It was the Turkish Cypriot leadership (dominated by the extreme right) that allied itself with Turkey and Britain to frustrate the democratic will of the Cypriot people, took an uncompromising and extreme stance in negotiations which ended up with the creation of the unworkable ‘Zurich’ state after 1960 which sowed ethnic division and was bound to collapse. The descent into conflict and violence was the result of this.
In my opinion, you cannot build a functional state and a unified co-existing prosperous and successful society on a constitutional settlement as unfair, undemocratic and as unworkable as the Zurich-London agreements were, or the proposed Annan Plan would have been, or many compromises that Christofias-Anastasiades have made in negotiations with Talat, Eroglu and Akinci during the last 9 years. The are recipes for disaster and failure. The selfish attitude of the Turkish side prevented a workable and successful Cypriot state from emerging after 1960, and unfortunately has frustrated any attempt to find a settlement to the Cyprus Problem since 1974 taht would work. They want a Turkish dominated Cyprus. By criticising the Turkish state and Turkish Cypriot leader’s policies that does not however make me a racist or a hater of the Turkish or Turkish Cypriot people. I never have been and never will be. But I will always say that the Turkish state and the Turkish-Cypriot political class which is heavily controlled by Ankara, has been predominantly guilty for the fact that Cyprus has suffered from division. Their whole aim is to keep Cyprus divided and hope that one day they can force the Republic of Cyprus and the majority of the Cypriot people to become a Turkish dependency. Apologies if that view offends your political sensitivities, but that view certainly does not make me hating racist.
George Styliano
July 12, 2017 at 06:54I have no hatred for the Turkish people, or the Turkish Cypriots. Neither do I have any racism toward them. I don’t know how you made that assumption.
What I do dislike are the policies that the Turkish state (in alliance with Britain) and the Turkish Cypriot leadership and its military arm TMT imposed on Cyprus. TMT killed Greek Cypriots too. I condemn any violence that was inflicted on Turkish Cypriots by EOKA, as much as I condemn the violence that was inflicted on Greek Cypriots by TMT and the Turkish Military. But in my opinion the evidence suggests that it was Turkey, and of course Britain, that encouraged the Turkish Cypriots to turn on the Greek Cypriots and vice versa, to sow the seeds for the division, invasion and partition of Cyprus. It was the Turkish Cypriot leadership (dominated by the extreme right) that allied itself with Turkey and Britain to frustrate the democratic will of the Cypriot people, took an uncompromising and extreme stance in negotiations which ended up with the creation of the unworkable ‘Zurich’ state after 1960 which sowed ethnic division and was bound to collapse. The descent into conflict and violence was the result of this.
In my opinion, you cannot build a functional state and a unified co-existing prosperous and successful society on a constitutional settlement as unfair, undemocratic and as unworkable as the Zurich-London agreements were, or the proposed Annan Plan would have been, or the many ridiculous (in my opinion again) compromises that Christofias-Anastasiades have made in negotiations with Talat, Eroglu and Akinci during the last 9 years. They are recipes for disaster and failure. The selfish attitude of the Turkish side prevented a workable and successful Cypriot state from emerging after 1960, and has unfortunately frustrated any attempt to find a settlement to the Cyprus Problem since 1974 that would actually work. They want a Turkish dominated Cyprus. Because I criticise the Turkish state and Turkish Cypriot leader’s policies, that does not automatically make me a racist or a hater of Turkish or Turkish Cypriot people. I never have been and never will be. But I will always say that the Turkish state, and the Turkish-Cypriot political class which is heavily controlled by Ankara, has been predominantly guilty for the fact that Cyprus has suffered from division for years. Their whole aim is to keep Cyprus divided and hope that one day they can force the Republic of Cyprus and the majority of the Cypriot people to become a Turkish dependency. Apologies if that view offends your political sensitivities, but that view certainly does not make me a hating racist.
George Styliano
July 16, 2017 at 20:14I have no hatred for the Turkish people, or the Turkish Cypriots. Neither do I have any racism toward them. I don’t know how you made that assumption.
What I do dislike are the policies that the Turkish state (in alliance with Britain) and the Turkish Cypriot leadership and its military arm TMT imposed on Cyprus. TMT killed Greek Cypriots too. I condemn any violence that was inflicted on Turkish Cypriots by EOKA, as much as I condemn the violence that was inflicted on Greek Cypriots by TMT and the Turkish Military. But in my opinion the evidence suggests that it was Turkey, and of course Britain, that encouraged the Turkish Cypriots to turn on the Greek Cypriots and vice versa, to sow the seeds for the division, invasion and partition of Cyprus. It was the Turkish Cypriot leadership (dominated by the extreme right) that allied itself with Turkey and Britain to frustrate the democratic will of the Cypriot people, took an uncompromising and extreme stance in negotiations which ended up with the creation of the unworkable ‘Zurich’ state after 1960 which sowed ethnic division and was bound to collapse. The descent into conflict and violence was the result of this.
In my opinion, you cannot build a functional state and a unified co-existing prosperous and successful society on a constitutional settlement as unfair, undemocratic and as unworkable as the Zurich-London agreements were, or the proposed Annan Plan would have been, or the many ridiculous (in my opinion again) compromises that Christofias-Anastasiades have made in negotiations with Talat, Eroglu and Akinci during the last 9 years. They are recipes for disaster and failure. The selfish attitude of the Turkish side prevented a workable and successful Cypriot state from emerging after 1960, and has unfortunately frustrated any attempt to find a settlement to the Cyprus Problem since 1974 that would actually work. They want a Turkish dominated Cyprus. Because I criticise the Turkish state and Turkish Cypriot leader’s policies, that does not automatically make me a racist or a hater of Turkish or Turkish Cypriot people. I never have been and never will be. But I will always say that the Turkish state, and the Turkish-Cypriot political class which is heavily controlled by Ankara, has been predominantly guilty for the fact that Cyprus has suffered from division for years. Their whole aim is to keep Cyprus divided and hope that one day they can force the Republic of Cyprus and the majority of the Cypriot people to become a Turkish dependency. Apologies if that view offends your political sensitivities, but that view certainly does not make me a hating racist.
The True Cypriot
July 16, 2017 at 21:16Its a shame that all this love for us by the GCs was not evident when you were running the island from 1960-74.
We will put that behind us, but that does not mean that we can ever live under a GC government again.
In reality, had Enosis occurred in 1974, I doubt any GCs would even worry about that today – most of you think that Cyprus is Greek and we have no rights here.
Look ahead and see how your people can live with our people.
George Styliano
July 16, 2017 at 22:38I wasnt even born then. But the fact is that the TCs didnt show much ‘love’ either. There were killings across both communities as far as the historical evidence suggests. No one said that you should live under a Greek Cypriot government but surely if we are going to create a new unified Cyprus then we will all have to live under some for of Cypriot government. I dont want to get into the Enosis debate; its far too complex, but your wrong to assume that most Greek Cypriots dont think the Turkish Cypriots have rights on the island. We all do.
I dont know why CYPRUS MAIL keeps deleting my post above. But glad you read it. posted it a few times and obviously it is not seen as a valid opinion by CYPRUS MAIL who keep marking it as SPAM and deleting it.
The True Cypriot
July 16, 2017 at 22:49Sorry George but the reality is very different.
We cannot fly into our part of the island, nor can we trade.
The only people that block those basic rights are GCs.
When you were born is irrelevant – the Cyprus problem goes way back and some of your fellow GCs here go back 6 centuries in their gripes about Turkey.
You may not want to talk about some aspects of the past as some are an inconvenient truth.
There is zero prospect of a united Cyprus until our rights are preserved and not frustrated.
Stay well as I know you mean well, but you ate seriously misguided if you think that we can ever reunite given our respective positions.
George Styliano
July 17, 2017 at 00:00Yes will agree that a section of Greek Cypriots will have had ‘gripes’ against Turkey over the past 6 centuries. No cultural or ethnic group likes to be conquered by a foreigner. That’s natural don’t you think?
I dont have a problem discussing anything. I see things as factual. There is no doubt that Greek Cypriot fanatics killed Turkish Cypriots in the 1950-74 period, but Turkish Cypriot fanatics also killed Greek Cypriots too.
The reason you cant fly or trade freely in the north is because the United Nations sees the state you call the Trnc as Turkish occupied territories and the trnc as an illegal entity. The fact is that over 80 per cent of the people who lived in the northern part of the island which Turkey and some Turkish Cypriots want to declare an independent state in were Greek speaking Cypriots.
I agree its going to be very hard to marry our two perspectives. However one day it may turn out that the common interests of both Turkey and a European Cyprus to create a fair and workable solution to the ‘Cyprus Problem’ which works for the Cypriot people and is acceptable to all its communities are stronger than they are today.
The True Cypriot
July 17, 2017 at 00:09We are not ottomans and neither are modern Turks responsible for what an empire did in the dark ages.
Get over it is my message to them.
The GCs could easily remove the barriers, so do not insult our intelligence by suggesting its the UN.
Yes both sides committed atrocities, but from 1960-74, it was GCs who ran the show and it was under GCs that all the organs of state were used against us.
It was under GCs that 20,000 Greek troops were in Cyprus with a clear plan to annex the island to Greece. Turkey only invaded after the coup took place in Cyprus that would have resulted in Enosis.
The only way forward is to agree to split, but your side does not want that, preferring to spin out years of “talks” whilst trying to starve us into submission though a trade and travel blockade.
That is the truth George.
George Styliano
July 17, 2017 at 01:03I posted a reply and again CYPRUS MAIL deleted it. Sorry about that, interesting talking to you, shame we couldn’t continue.
I wont be posting on Cyprus Mail again.
The True Cypriot
July 17, 2017 at 09:34Why and who are you are you offending?
George Styliano
July 17, 2017 at 14:08I don’t know. But that is the second time I have answered you True Cypriot and CYPRUS MAIL have deleted it. I wouldn’t mind but I didn’t swear or use aggressive language etc. Shame I was enjoying our debate.
So much for democratic expression CYPRUS MAIL – how long are you going to take to approve my response to True Cypriot above?
Kyrenia
July 8, 2017 at 19:57What will spark a conflict? Turks insist that separation is a sure way to avoid troubles. Do you mean the gas exploration? They wouldn’t dare stop us because they know they have no legal basis.
Oh Come ON!
July 8, 2017 at 20:19It’s that kind of presumtious arrogance that led to Turkey coming to the island in 1974.
Kyrenia
July 8, 2017 at 20:26They used the right of intervention as a pre text. They have no such basis now. How would they sell it. Turkey starts conflict with tiny Cyprus beacauae of gas exploration
The True Cypriot
July 9, 2017 at 00:30They will argue that the assets do not belong to the GCs.
Kyrenia
July 9, 2017 at 00:47A bit rich coming from a country that has plundered half the territory of a sovereign state.
The True Cypriot
July 9, 2017 at 00:49Cyprus is not yours – never has been.
You are confusing land ownership [which was not linked to population/race] with sovereignty, which was and remains equally shared.
Sorry you cannot see the difference.
Kyrenia
July 9, 2017 at 01:02Cypriots have been in their country for many thousands of years. Of course it belongs to us. This may sound purile, but my guess is that you are citing some legal document drawn up by our former colonial masters who’s only interest was their own. Blood is thicker than water.
George Styliano
July 9, 2017 at 09:04The game is already finished. Argue what they like, no one will support them, and neither will they attempt to stop Cyprus from exploiting its economic resources.
Ambiguous
July 9, 2017 at 00:30..and a few Turkish mass graves.
The True Cypriot
July 9, 2017 at 00:29Gas?
Assuming you ever get any out?
Turkey will cause problems in other ways.
The True Cypriot
July 9, 2017 at 10:33That’s understood – it is not in their interest to do a deal because the GCs enjoy recognition. That is why NA demanded an “all or nothing solution”
The only problem with that strategy is that tensions will remain and the North will become even look amore embedded to Turkey.
The very thing you GCs detest most will worsen through a no-deal approach and if you look at investment in the north over the past 13 years [since the Annan Plan] you will see what I mean.
Turkey’s border will end at Ledra Street
Fevzi Ogelman
July 8, 2017 at 19:25Unification talks are dead and buried. The only future talks will be about partition.
George Styliano
July 8, 2017 at 19:30I think a few unexpected solutions may come our way. The world is going through tremendous change. Lets see how it evolves. The Cypriot people and any government of the Republic of Cyprus would never agree to talks about partition.
gulumbra
July 8, 2017 at 19:57They perpetuated it … de facto rules now. Sad but true.
George Styliano
July 8, 2017 at 20:03Not sure what you mean. Unclear gulumbra!
cyprus observer
July 8, 2017 at 21:02You will have no choice now.
George Styliano
July 8, 2017 at 21:27Nonsense.
hh faris
July 8, 2017 at 21:36Your leaders have been waiting for Turkey to be destroyed for many years, some of you still have wet dreams of getting back Istanbul, o well it’s good to have faith miracles do happen. Please carry on writing does sad songs
George Styliano
July 8, 2017 at 21:40Have they? Do we? Should we? Perhaps you should prepare to write sad songs as geopolitical interests suggest to me that Turkey will face many challenges to its territorial integrity from the east.
Guest
July 8, 2017 at 22:46Correction: You mean the Greek Cypriot people and the wholly Greek Republic of Cyprus. The Turkish Cypriot position is wholly different.
George Styliano
July 8, 2017 at 23:00There is no country called the Greek Republic of Cyprus, so no I dont mean that; I mean the Republic of Cyprus and the majority of the people who are the native and legal inhabitants of the island Republic of Cyprus, which includes those who live in the Turkish occupied territories.
Guest
July 8, 2017 at 23:03You should be more specific. On the Cyprus problem, the positions and points of view of each ethnic group are very different, which you fail to mention.
George Styliano
July 8, 2017 at 23:26I’m not writing a history of Cyprus and its different ethnic groups. I was responding to the post above. Feel free to write your own post about different positions if you wish.
eren3_eren
July 9, 2017 at 05:50Not so sure about that.
George Styliano
July 9, 2017 at 09:09which part?
Paralimni
July 8, 2017 at 20:17I agree I thinks its about time we hugged kissed and said this is your state and this is mine lets be friends share the hydro carbons pro rator of population and just live in peace with two states.
eren3_eren
July 9, 2017 at 05:50Most sensible point here.
Paralimni
July 9, 2017 at 11:04Thank you, I have had abuse from the super patriots here who don’t and never have wanted a solution. I think many GC’s would now privately agree to two states , and if one day in the future they want to come together when all these hardliners have gone to the next world then that would be fine.
Sistine301
July 8, 2017 at 21:12Who says? Partition does not to be formalized. It exists de facto between the ROC and the self-declared independent TRNC. All that needs to be done is for the TRNC to carry on being independent. Haggle with whom, and for what purpose?
cyprus observer
July 8, 2017 at 21:01There will be no future talks. It’s over.
Kyrenia
July 8, 2017 at 21:02For who?
Guest
July 8, 2017 at 22:43You have stated the Greek Cypriot position – that of pre-1974 Cyprus. That is the majority point of view of the Greek Cypriot people and government, and not of the “Cypriot people”. That ship has long sailed. A return to pre-1974 Cyprus will never happen. Either a federal Cyprus, with two states, regions whatever it would be called, with full equal rights for both ethnic groups with a rotating presidency, or none at all.
George Styliano
July 8, 2017 at 22:46Never said a return to pre-1974 would happen. I haven’t stated the GC view. Ive stated the view supported by historical evidence.
Anon
July 8, 2017 at 18:33Anastastiades…
cometh the hour , cometh the clown.
Lysander
July 8, 2017 at 18:07Yes, Anastasiades blew it, because unlike the anonymous forum posters below, he isn’t at liberty to ventilate noxious opinions without any consequences whatsoever, but was elected on a pro-solution platform. I may be critical of Anastasiades, but i wouldn’t want to be in his shoes, ever. That probably sets me apart from his armchair critics which seem to abound here.
That being said, I’m mightily sick of reading casual politicians’ opinions on how they would have bettered the world, all the while hiding behind ludicrous nicknames and profile pictures.
Cyprus Mail, please review the way your forum’s managed. Some of us, and I’m quite certain this post’ll get upvoted, have really had it with the gratuitous hate-mail pervading the comments.
Paranam Kid
July 8, 2017 at 18:04Nothing changed. The rejectionists managed to have it their way, probably because most of the GCs think that way. In any case, in Anastasiades they had the perfect man: playing the comedy all the way, and now he can stand tall & proud, and persuade the nation that he is the perfect guy to be re-elected to president, which is where his heart was all along, not concerned about the future of the island. His future is secure, his pockets filled, what else does a man need?
Muchacho
July 9, 2017 at 12:01Each side had its rejectionists. We can’t assume that one side ‘blew it’ by relying on anonymous sources. We don’t have the facts about what was truly agreed and disagreed upon at the talks and I doubt we ever will. This failure should be put on every sides’ shoulders
costaskarseras
July 8, 2017 at 17:59“Anastasiades blew ‘such a good deal’” pull the other one. It was such a good deal that Erdogan is offering the same deal to the Kurds to stop the protracted bloodshed caused by the Kurdish problem.
“Independent observers have told the Sunday Mail that this claim is far from accurate” quoted by the author, are Cyprus’ guardian angels, the British and Americans but not the one-sided Russians.
Britain should stop acting like Pontius Pilate, as she caused the Cyprus tragedy and has the additional responsibility as a guarantor of Cyprus’ territorial integrity under her imposed London-Zurich agreements.
After their mistake to trust Britain with the 1960 London-Zurich agreements, the reservations of the Cypriots are fully justified. Nowhere in these agreements is the right given to one of the guarantors to invade and to expel 200 000 Cypriots from their homes because of their ethnicity in order to establish a mono-religious identity in a part of the island. An indication of Turkey’s “goodwill and fair-mindedness”, and as a diligent guarantor, she prefers to see the once prosperous town of Varosha inhabited by snakes and not by her lawful citizens.
Cyprus Polis pensioner
July 8, 2017 at 18:09Usul hardliners nonsense – always blame someone else. All parties at the conference have praised in particular the UK in these talks and their neutral efforts to assist all parties to reach a settlement.
The sad truth is WE BLEW IT, sorry our Mr small minded so called president & ‘leader’. Instead of being a statesman, he remained a small time backwaters politician, who couldn’t risk the idea of losing the presidency race in 2018.
He fell ‘hook line and sinker’ into the traps laid by the ‘waste of spaces’ politicians that accompanied him on a free shopping trip, no doubt led on by the fat idiot foreign minister from our ‘motherland’.
I’d like to thank them all personally now I, and certainly my grandchildren, have zero ZERO chance now of ever getting out properties back in kyrenia and varosha.
Neroli
July 8, 2017 at 23:15Good comment
Sonar
July 8, 2017 at 18:33You are in total denial, of the truth. Get yourself to the nearst church kiss some icons and ask for forgiveness . THEY BLEW IT and our grandchildren will never for give us
costaskarseras
July 8, 2017 at 18:43On 11 April 1965, Dervis Kavazoglou a Turkish Cypriot and Costas Mishaoulis a Greek Cypriot were murdered together in their car by T/C members of the terrorist organisation (TMT). Below extract from some of the speeches of the late Kavazoglou:
“They have managed to drive the young people of Cyprus, Greeks and Turks on the mountains to fight and kill each other. Only yesterday they were working together in the workshops, offices, and in the mines, they were ploughing the same earth to provide
bread for their families”. They have created the myth and the lie that is impossible for the two communities to co-exist in peace. They drove 20 000 Turks out of their homes and put them in places which are not different from concentration camps. Thus establishing the base for a future partition” “a handful of fascists by using guns and fascists methods snatched the leadership of the Turkish community. They are the ones that cause the suffering of the Turkish Cypriots”.
Sonar
July 8, 2017 at 19:31You talking history that can’t be changed but the future is what maters you regurgitating it in which ever form you please will not change it. However the future is what maters. The life and future of our children and grandchildren mater not your perception of history and if can’t see that, you are a lost cause to humanity
almostbroke
July 8, 2017 at 20:20Sonar – he is a dyed in the wool Communist t , dosent ‘do ‘ Churches !!!!!!
hh faris
July 8, 2017 at 21:55almostbroke, Even the communist are religious today, Lol
Neroli
July 8, 2017 at 23:17He needs deporting back to AKEL
almostbroke
July 8, 2017 at 23:43AKEL would be too liberal for Costas !!!!!
Neroli
July 8, 2017 at 23:16And he spouts this nonsence from London!
DisplayDriver
July 8, 2017 at 18:49It’s was “common” sense that Turkey would protect the TC’s. GC’s thought their ethnic cleansing would go unpunished or be protected by World powers. How foolish.
costaskarseras
July 8, 2017 at 19:01The retired Turkish Gen. Sabri Yirmibeşoğlu admitted that Turks burned mosques to increase animosity toward Greeks in Cyprus.
“And, most importantly, why do they feel the need to tell these lies? That is what they should explain to us. We grew up with lies which continue to this very day. Bombs were placed in mosques, and they told us lies that “the Greek Cypriots did it.” A bomb was placed at the Turkish Embassy’s Press Office. They told us lies. Shots were fired at the statue of Ataturk. They told us lies. They told us lies even when they bombed us. “They planted it themselves,” they said. After so many lies, how can we believe what they say about the bathtub crime.” By the T/C patriot Sener Levent
gulumbra
July 8, 2017 at 20:02Yes and they told that lady who won her case at ECHR that the Turks killed her husband when in reality he was buried by eoka and a priest in someone else’s grave
almostbroke
July 8, 2017 at 20:19Remember when the German backed ‘Greek collaborating ‘security battalions , murdered your Greek Communist buddies , it not always the Turks !!
costaskarseras
July 8, 2017 at 21:04I blame individuals who commit crimes not their race. For your information, Mihri Belli was a prominent leader of the socialist movement in Turkey and fought on the partisan side in the Greek Civil War.
Neroli
July 8, 2017 at 23:18And Yiorkhadjis and Papadopoulos did the same – Akritas Organisation
Ms S
July 9, 2017 at 03:27On Oct. 19 1996, Mr. Georgios Lanitis wrote: QUOTE; “I was serving with the Foreign Information Service of the Republic of Cyprus in London…. I deeply apologize to all those I told that there are 1,619 missing persons. I misled them. I was made a liar, deliberately, by the government of Cyprus. …today it seems that the credibility of Cyprus is nil.” UNQUOTE
costaskarseras
July 9, 2017 at 13:02So you believe that there are no missing people either G/C or T/C, killed by the extremists of both sides and by the Turkish army and buried in unmarked graves. Is it a figment of imagination when we see grieving relatives receiving the remains of their loved ones after 43 years to given them a respectful burial? I wish it was not true.
gulumbra
July 8, 2017 at 20:00Global policy is not dictated by human rights – or only when it coincides with grabbing natural resources – hence the championing of the Kurds by the west
Neroli
July 8, 2017 at 23:15The usual copy and paste!! Costa we all know you well enough by now and you keep posting the same rubbish Greek Cypriots caused the Cyrus tradgedy, you ran to the British bases and they airlifted you to UK with many others. You continue to spout anti British nonsense and need deporting
Jonathan Scott
July 10, 2017 at 15:58Thats where big mac was flown to as well.
RebelJim
July 8, 2017 at 17:54It is crystal clear Cyprus “Never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity” story for Cyprus for many years.
Jonathan Scott
July 8, 2017 at 17:06President Monica.
Mong Hlop
July 8, 2017 at 17:13much better than a puppy president
Jonathan Scott
July 8, 2017 at 17:21Think about it.
George Philis
July 8, 2017 at 17:02If I express my opinion about Anastasiades right now, I’ll probably get arrested. So, I better not. This effing moron has been planning the collapse for months now.
Mong Hlop
July 8, 2017 at 17:14another drama queen
Jonathan Scott
July 8, 2017 at 18:30Why
Kibristan
July 8, 2017 at 16:57What a guy eh? ?
Congratulations all round I’m sure…
BigApple
July 8, 2017 at 16:53He did well to rebuke those nasty Turks, who only have one thing on their evil minds with regards to Cyprus. The only unfortunate people to not gain anything are the TCs but that’s their perogative. They invited the mongrols to Cyprus not us, so they need to find their own way to deal with them. We can now continue with our business as we have done so for the last 43 years and leave the Cyprus issue for coffee shop talks.
kypselian
July 8, 2017 at 17:04well written. you know bigapple? i can feel that the TCs are very angry bcs the talks fell down. you can clearly see why? bcs they wanted us to legalize the mongul in cyprus and we refused.
Air Fuse
July 8, 2017 at 17:07yeah, an independent anonymous observer was also quoted as saying that the Turkish side ” over played their hand and were a bit greedy and offered very little” but its all Anastasiadis fault and this is why the conference broke down.
kypselian
July 8, 2017 at 19:11haha so funny… turkey was ready to leave and take away the troops.. but anstasiades did not want hahaha
BigApple
July 8, 2017 at 17:07Yes you can see their anger. As usual TCs expected someone else to solve their problems.
Mong Hlop
July 8, 2017 at 17:08and of course pay – they love freebies ever since they converted to islam
Arty
July 8, 2017 at 21:12allegedly
TC-Nas
July 9, 2017 at 05:02TC’s have always been muslim you moron
Mong Hlop
July 9, 2017 at 07:39LOL – what a plunker
Air Fuse
July 8, 2017 at 17:09I see it in many of the commentors here how they are full of hate and anger but project it on to the Greek side looking for someone to blame.
BigApple
July 8, 2017 at 17:14If it helps heal their wounds, let them do so. It won’t help to interact with them in their baby’s pram while
they throw their toys out.
Air Fuse
July 8, 2017 at 17:21It doesnt though, it becomes very corrosive to their ‘higher self’ and fills their life with negativity and hatred for the other. However I have come to the same conclusion as yourself that it is not worth communicating with them so I refrain from doing so as much as possible.
TC-Nas
July 9, 2017 at 05:01That’s because you lot are to blame. 1963…
The True Cypriot
July 8, 2017 at 19:09How rude, racist and insulting.
We are not angry as we expected the outcome as occurred.
Keep to the subject and do not insult with racist remarks.
kypselian
July 8, 2017 at 19:15you got yourself in the mess in 1974… now u cant get rid of them.
The True Cypriot
July 8, 2017 at 19:18Excuse me?
We were saved by them in 1974 – not one TC has been hurt since 1974.
Also, what has 1974 got to do with racist remarks now?
You think that calling us Mongols will help future peace?
Very odd!
kypselian
July 8, 2017 at 19:21i m not calling u but them.. unless u are a turk and not cypriot
The True Cypriot
July 9, 2017 at 00:33Again a very odd racist remark.
Why call a whole country “mongols”?
Illogical and somewhat ignorant.
kypselian
July 9, 2017 at 07:18ok 99%
The True Cypriot
July 11, 2017 at 22:29You think that is funny.
Racism just demeans you.
kypselian
July 13, 2017 at 17:47maybe you think i am racist but i am not
The True Cypriot
July 13, 2017 at 19:47Kypselian – you say 99% of Turks are mongols. Thats overtly racist.
If you did not mean to be racist, then simply apologise.
This is a serious issue and comments like yours put it in the gutter.
Sadly, I think you believe in such views and that is quite alarming in this day and age.
kypselian
July 13, 2017 at 20:40Why? You are the racist. Mongols are bad people?
Arty
July 8, 2017 at 21:14Which Turk got hurt, for the invasion to happen?
TC-Nas
July 9, 2017 at 05:00Are you some sort a c…. you know why the turkish army landed. It was a legal act. Get over it. You ain’t getting s**t back now.
Arty
July 9, 2017 at 10:05Wanna bet?
BigApple
July 9, 2017 at 06:14Here are a few TC names that you Turks harmed or killed in just the last few years:
Elmaz Guzelyurtlu, his wife & 15 year old daughter.
TC-Nas
July 9, 2017 at 04:57There you go again with your insensitive and racist remarks.
In actual fact you got yourselves into this in 1963.
kypselian
July 9, 2017 at 07:17we are happy where we are now
gulumbra
July 8, 2017 at 20:06They are trolls – ignore them. They would shit themselves if they ever came face to face
The True Cypriot
July 8, 2017 at 19:10Horrible racist comments – why is that necessary?
BigApple
July 8, 2017 at 22:25Turkey is in my country. I reserve the right to say whatever to these invaders who refuse to leave and threaten us with violence.
kypselian
July 8, 2017 at 16:52i wouldnt the article and the “mail” seriously if they are unwilling to reveal the identity of the source. full stop
Brian Whiffen
July 8, 2017 at 16:51For whatever reasons the best and probably last chance has been consigned to the bin, Why well Cypriot populism of the leading politico’s is the main reason, there is not one statesman among them, they are afraid to make any form of compromise, Cyprus the one island nationality split by religion is no longer, it is now irrevocably split by political ideology and pig headedness,
Red ken
July 9, 2017 at 10:08Spot on
Stanlio
July 8, 2017 at 16:50What a load of nonsense. The Cyprus Mail surpasses itself in complete idiocy. An unnamed source says Anastasiades refused to take a deal from the Turks that would have given him what he wanted because he was tired and because his mind was on next year’s presidential elections. What utter, utter garbage. Explain why a deal ridding Cyprus of Turkey’s occupation and reuniting the island would harm Anastasiades’ elections prospects. I suggest such a deal would have made him a national hero. I urge CM to stop treating its readers like idiots and stop publishing fake news.
The True Cypriot
July 8, 2017 at 19:12Its an opinion. You have the right to comment and disagree.
You will get nothing in the future and the article reflects the truth.
Muchacho
July 9, 2017 at 11:57Never in the cards for RoC to ‘get anything’ anyway. As big a myth as Annan Plan being the best chance. I personally wanted a solution for abolition of current guarantee system and intervention rights for the sake of security. Never expected the Turks to ‘give’ anything else but mere tokens in terms of territory. But nevermind, let’s just cry about what a historic moment we missed when now it seems the moment never had any chance of existing. The sides involved were simply not interested in a diplomatic solution. I must admit that the feeling of hope was very nice despite being short-lived…
Mong Hlop
July 8, 2017 at 16:48a good deal for whom? he gave concrete things but did not take but words and promises and other BS
and we all know the value of those… so he had no choice no way it would fly in a referendum
Barry White
July 8, 2017 at 16:43Well past his sell by date— not enough ashtrays or Johnnie Walker Black on hand. Or, too ” tired and emotional”?
There were probably all sorts of reasons for why he didn’t accept,” the source said.
“There were a lot of hardliners around him. He was tired. There was a lot of pressure and he couldn’t think clearly. He was on the verge of an historic deal.”l
Neroli
July 8, 2017 at 19:35Yea yea yea!!! I used to try those excuses when I lost a tennis match
Barry White
July 8, 2017 at 20:25I’ll bet that another one that you used was “The Devil made me do it”. ?
Slomi
July 8, 2017 at 16:33Article states:
“According to a UN source that spoke to the Mail on condition of anonymity, Cavusoglu had “conceded in private to us” that Turkey would be prepared to accept an end to guarantees and rights of intervention.
Reportedly, Turkey had also consented to a clause in Guterres’ framework for negotiations for the Crans-Montana talks, which stipulated a fall-back to the 1960 Treaty of Alliance figures for Greek and Turkish troops on the island – 950 and 650 respectively – with final decisions on whether these were to withdraw altogether, and when, to be made “at a higher level”, meaning the three guarantors’ prime ministers.
“When we signalled this to Anastasiades, he started insisting on zero troops,” the source said.”
“He simply didn’t want it.”
The reason why all failed.
Any views?
Air Fuse
July 8, 2017 at 16:37According to other sources, the Turkish side over played their hand.
How did they do that?
Slomi
July 8, 2017 at 16:41sources pl
Air Fuse
July 8, 2017 at 16:44An anonymous diplomat from the UN who said that the Turkish side offered very little to the Cypriot side and they over played their hand.
Slomi
July 8, 2017 at 16:45No source then
Air Fuse
July 8, 2017 at 16:46Then this article is all cow dung but you are quoting an anonymous source trying to put all the blame on Anastasiadis.
Neroli
July 8, 2017 at 19:32This was quoted on Fridays live feed from Crans Montana
Slomi
July 8, 2017 at 16:48If media accepted the non leaking of name -then it is an info.But in this case no.
Air Fuse
July 8, 2017 at 16:49This media source (the CM) also quoted and said that the Turkish side over played their hand in another article. This too was from an independent observer.
Why do you have double standards?
Slomi
July 8, 2017 at 16:53The last sentence was a personal observation and hence uncalled for.
Reliable sources are only witness sources/ responsible media reports based upon witnessing the event.
Air Fuse
July 8, 2017 at 16:53You are right, it was a personal observation, that you have double standards. And what?
Mong Hlop
July 8, 2017 at 16:53at least we can agree that the so called negotiation was between GC and Turkey. akinci was but a silent puppy in the room told off by the master assistant sultan
Caulkhead
July 8, 2017 at 19:38Again someone assuming Cypriots are only GCs!
Air Fuse
July 8, 2017 at 21:04Hello Chalk head.
Arty
July 8, 2017 at 21:08They are, tcs were dumped here by the ottoman Turks, they were deported for being undesirables, Turkey doesn’t give one iota about them. They are illegal squatters.
MountainMan
July 8, 2017 at 16:44I give no credence whatsoever to sources who speak on condition of anonymity. The only way one will receive the full facts is if Guterres gives them publicly..
Slomi
July 8, 2017 at 16:47This is allowed in media deals. Media knows and then reveals the info.
MountainMan
July 8, 2017 at 16:50I am aware that lt is allowed, I am also aware that it is genuine maybe one time in a hundred.
Mong Hlop
July 8, 2017 at 16:49fake news and cheap propaganda
Slomi
July 8, 2017 at 16:51only because ,it does not fit in your world.
Air Fuse
July 8, 2017 at 16:52Your world is full of cheap propoganda.
Jonathan Scott
July 8, 2017 at 17:11He and his pals never wanted a solution.
Slomi
July 8, 2017 at 17:30seems so .
Neroli
July 8, 2017 at 19:34Correct and I think DIKO handed Nik a big brown envelope to squash any deal
Arty
July 8, 2017 at 21:09Sources please.
Sistine301
July 8, 2017 at 18:01You missed the part in the story where it says “[But] Anastasiades wanted it in writing”
The nerve of him not to rely on unsubstantiated utterances “signaled to him.” One would have thought he was there to come to a concrete agreement or something.
(I would hope the sarcasm is obvious.”
Slomi
July 8, 2017 at 18:45A diplomatic protocol which Mr.President was bound to follow while in subject negotiations was – he was supposed to/bound to move through all concerned participants and mediators
In any case the negotiations were following the base principle that until agreed by all, nothing was agreed upon and therefore asking for a assurance unilaterally was/is /will always be recorded in history as a greater mistake than what Makarios had done by signing the Treaty “under duress”.
Sistine301
July 8, 2017 at 21:18What?
G.CH.
July 8, 2017 at 16:26And I was wondering why such articles hadn’ t appeared yet in Cyprus Mail. Mystery solved, they were just a bit late..
Jonathan Scott
July 8, 2017 at 16:20Typical of the lying scamming GCs, be prepared to possibly lose all of the island, thanks to your so called leaders and lawyers, but keep the brainwashing going, especially in schools, after all we wouldn’t want the truth to be known would we.
Victor Cominos
July 8, 2017 at 16:37I beg your pardon. The answer is simple. Get Turkey out of Northern Cyprus together with the Anatolians and you may have a deal. Anything less than that cannot be sold to the inhabitants of the Republic of Cyprus. It is up to Turkey to make the first move. If Turkey doesn’t move everything will stand still. Unless of course the international community wakes up and treats Turkey like the pariah that she is.
Slomi
July 8, 2017 at 16:42why you went for negotiations?
Victor Cominos
July 8, 2017 at 16:49In the hope that Turkey would be reasonable. It is called giving Turkey the benefit of the doubt. At the same time it was important to demonstrate to the international community that for the last 43 years it is Turkey that has been the obstacle to the reunification process. This has now been demonstrated to the fullest. The Republic of Cyprus has been vindicated. I repeat, it has been clearly demonstrated that Turkey it totally at fault. Hopefully Turkey will soon be treated like an international pariah.
Slomi
July 8, 2017 at 16:53she was on Friday.
Victor Cominos
July 8, 2017 at 17:00Anything less than pulling out
all Turkish troops and the Anatolians out of Northern Cyprus is far from
reasonable. I am sorry to say you must be walking around with wearing blinker if
you really believe that Turkey’s terms as presented on Friday to the conference
were reasonable. It will only be reasonable when Turkey and the Anatolians get
totally out of Northern Cyprus and the so called 1960 Treaty of Guarantee is
torn up. Anything less than that is unacceptable.
Slomi
July 8, 2017 at 17:03diplomatic negotiations emphasize upon discussions .The issue was initiated by Turkey, it could reach any final stance in negotiations.
Victor Cominos
July 8, 2017 at 17:39Turkey knew what she was doing
and that was to make the deal impossible so that she would not have to move out
of Northern Cyprus. Turkey has been openly saying for years and as recently as
this week that she has no intention of getting out of Northern Cyprus. Under
those circumstances there is nothing to discuss. Turkey’s final solution had
been decided in Ankara and London long before Independence Day in 1960.
There will never be
reunification unless Turkey totally gets out of the North and takes the
Anatolians with her. The ROC has now proven the fact that the delinquent is in
fact Turkey. Turkey has never been able to be trusted and with Erdogon the
position is getting worse. Just take a good look at Turkey’s present human
rights record. It is sickening.
RebelJim
July 8, 2017 at 17:471974 Gamble for ENOSIS didn’t pay,
Victor Cominos
July 8, 2017 at 18:03Remember it wasn’t the ROC that gambled. It was Athens. Also do some history reading and you will find that Henry Kissinger openly admitted that he was heavily behind the coup in Athens in 1967 and attempted coup in Cyprus of 1974. So, there is more to this that ENOSIS. On the other hand, the very thing that the TC oppose e. g. ENOSIS they have become a part of with Turkey for the last 43 years. Now that has to be somewhat hypocritical.
BigApple
July 9, 2017 at 01:23The US had it’s reasons to allow Greece to do what she did, as did Turkey. They wanted to keep their allies happy—reason was Russian interests.
Victor Cominos
July 9, 2017 at 09:23I hate to say it but I do agree with you. The American Secretary of State Henry Kissinger was running the country in 1974 even though Richard Nixon was the president and Henry pulled the strings.
Arty
July 8, 2017 at 20:48Is that the made up BS part of the plan that Kutchuk and Denktrash dreamed up in 1962?
Slomi
July 8, 2017 at 18:40Then you never needed any negotiations over it.Why did you go for it?
Victor Cominos
July 8, 2017 at 18:46I gave you the answer earlier. I will try to give it to you again.
In the hope that Turkey would be reasonable. It is called giving Turkey the benefit of the doubt. At the same time, it was important to demonstrate to the international community that for the last 43 years it is Turkey that has been the obstacle to the reunification process. This has now been demonstrated to the fullest. The Republic of Cyprus has been vindicated. I repeat, it has been clearly demonstrated that Turkey it totally at fault. Hopefully Turkey will soon be treated like an international pariah.
Slomi
July 8, 2017 at 18:53There was “hope”.On Friday while Turkey had an offer which was subject to negotiations.
Victor Cominos
July 8, 2017 at 19:10I cannot understand how you can
say that Turkey made an offer. There was no offer on the table from Turkey. All
that was there was a gun at the head of the Republic of Cyprus. Turkey is
trying to blackmail the ROC.
Face reality that there is no
hope or offer on the table until the Turkish military and Anatolians start
moving out of the North.
There is nothing to negotiate
when Turkey’s conditions are right from the outset deliberately drafted to make
the negotiations unacceptable.
I do not want to appear nasty
to ward you because I like you but I cannot fathom how you can claim that
Turkey had an offer on the table. Turkey’s proposal called for the continued
occupation of the North by Turkey. Well that is not a good position to start
from.
I reiterate, there has never
been hope and there never will be as long as the same attitude remains in
Ankara. Turkey was looking for a way to get into Cyprus going way back well
before Independence Day in 1960. Turkey
is in the North and most certainly has no intention of ever getting out. The TC
will one day regret that they chose to double cross the ROC but by that time it
will be too late. Soon the TC will become fully fledged citizens of Turkey and
there will be no turning back. Erdogon
is running out of prisons in Turkey to house his political prisoners. Don’t think
for one minute that he has any sympathy for the TC. Turkey is not interested in
the wellbeing of the TC. Turkey is only interested in getting her hands on the
North Cyprus territory.
Victor Cominos
July 8, 2017 at 18:53I gave you the answer earlier. I will try to give it to you again.
In the hope that Turkey would be reasonable. It is called giving Turkey the benefit of the doubt. At the same time, it was important to demonstrate to the international community that for the last 43 years it is Turkey that has been the obstacle to the reunification process. This has now been demonstrated to the fullest. The Republic of Cyprus has been vindicated. I repeat, it has been clearly demonstrated that Turkey it totally at fault. Hopefully Turkey will soon be treated like an international pariah.
Slomi
July 8, 2017 at 18:55you have posted your comment twice.
DisplayDriver
July 8, 2017 at 19:02Keep dreaming.
Victor Cominos
July 8, 2017 at 19:20It is you and the TC who are dreaming if you think that Ankara’s terms at doing to be accepted. Keep on dreaming.
EJ Cash
July 8, 2017 at 16:57Because, Cyprus’ hand was force by Victoria Nuland and US (+ Israeli) interests to appease the situation with Erdogan in order to facilitate the construction of natural gas pipelines form the Israeli controlled Leviathan gas field to travel from the south and then the north crossing the Med into Turkey with final destination Europe. The event was purely geopolitical with no intent of a real solution.
Negotiations of the Islands future has been decided a long time ago. This UN meeting was simply a farce to mask the real deal, which obviously I have no idea when it will be materialized. Perhaps, after the civil war in Syria terminates.
Jonathan Scott
July 8, 2017 at 17:19Here we go, some one else’s fault already.
Air Fuse
July 8, 2017 at 17:27This is exactly what you did with your opening comment. You also went further with a vieled threat. Pathetic.
‘its someone elses fault already’
Jonathan Scott
July 8, 2017 at 17:40And.
Air Fuse
July 8, 2017 at 17:42and there is no point communicating with you.
Jonathan Scott
July 8, 2017 at 17:44Great, you aren’t intelligent enough, off you go.
Arty
July 8, 2017 at 20:51You admitted already your intelligence level, when you was “scammed” by someone.
Jonathan Scott
July 8, 2017 at 21:11They tried and failed and I really embarrassed them in front of all their family and so called friends. Locals get scammed and conned to you know.
BigApple
July 9, 2017 at 01:18He doesn’t need to vent his anger but you obviously do. Too bad for you now.
Arty
July 8, 2017 at 20:50That’s turkey’s line, why are you hijacking it?
Jonathan Scott
July 8, 2017 at 21:12No, that’s the local GCs line.
kypselian
July 8, 2017 at 16:52i agree
Victor Cominos
July 8, 2017 at 16:54Thank you.
Jonathan Scott
July 8, 2017 at 18:26You need all the help you can get, she will could take you on as a patient.
Jonathan Scott
July 8, 2017 at 18:23Here is some one that is supposedly a qualified and practising trick cyclist. How can any one go to you with your attitude and hatred and be treated. Any one else in a civilised country would have been struck off years ago or not have been qualified to practice in the first place, so best you………
Jonathan Scott
July 8, 2017 at 17:18Why, they have as much right to be here as you, infact even more. You aren’t Greek, never have been never will be, you just try to be.
Victor Cominos
July 8, 2017 at 17:40Quite on the contrary, the Turks and the Anatolians have no right to be there. And neither have the British. The sooner that the British get out of the bases the better.
Jonathan Scott
July 8, 2017 at 17:43I would love that to happen, then you and people like you would soon be scampering off to another country feeling sorry for yourselves, don’t go to Greece, they hate you and Turkey is their biggest trading partner.
Victor Cominos
July 8, 2017 at 17:51Your friends the British are typical
turn coats as was proven in 1974. They played a big part in creating the
current problem in 1960 and before and then conveniently forgot for the last 43
years their responsibilities as guarantors. Well Britain’s time along with
Turkey’s is coming. They day will come when the United Kingdom will cease to be
united and Turkey as we know her will come to an end.
Jonathan Scott
July 8, 2017 at 18:20Hahahahahaha dream on.
Jonathan Scott
July 8, 2017 at 18:52Hahahahaha, Cyprus the super power that’s done nothing, created nothing, given nothing to the world or humanity and still ignores its own past, facts and truth. Do your self a favour don’t embarrass your self any more or the decent educated Cypriots that live here. One last thing, you aint Greek have no ties to Greece, they have done nothing for you, apart from invade and try to over throw the elected leader and roll out the red carpet for the Turks then buggered off. Like the coward who ran back to Greece after Mari. You are nothing and will stay that way.
Red ken
July 9, 2017 at 00:30I agree
BigApple
July 9, 2017 at 01:29Greece doesn’t hate us you dimwit. You Turks make up stories as you go.
Jonathan Scott
July 10, 2017 at 12:11Yes they do, I aint Turkish either. You north Africans make up stories as you go.
BigApple
July 10, 2017 at 12:55Making up stories like a delusional dimwit. I could care less what you are, even though I can come up quite easily with some shady descriptions to describe your current state of mind.
Jonathan Scott
July 10, 2017 at 14:05“I couldn’t care less” dimwit.
BigApple
July 10, 2017 at 17:47What an idiot you are to act like a wise a$$ to me. Both have the same connotation. Perhaps you are not a native English speaker.
Jonathan Scott
July 10, 2017 at 18:12No they don’t. Could, I could do something. couldn’t, I could not do something. I could care, I couldn’t care.
BigApple
July 10, 2017 at 18:57Oh dear lord. Please do a check online. “I could care less” is a common phrase spoken by native English speakers. This conversation ends for me now.
Jonathan Scott
July 10, 2017 at 20:31Because you are wrong. “I couldn’t care less” is the common phrase your majesty.
BigApple
July 11, 2017 at 07:50Keep thinking that, enlightened one…
Jonathan Scott
July 11, 2017 at 14:32OK.
The True Cypriot
July 8, 2017 at 19:16What right have 27 EU countries and all the Russians and others who have bought RoC passports?
Nonsensical point.
You cannot peel that back any more than we can.
Arty
July 8, 2017 at 20:54People are not forced to buy Cyprus passports, there are cheaper elsewhere.
The True Cypriot
July 9, 2017 at 00:17My point is that if the GCs can choose who lives in the south, we can do likewise in the north.
The issue of land and property compensation is a separate issue that can only be solved in a settlement.
Arty
July 9, 2017 at 10:08I/we don’t want compensation. We have been living there for over 14,000 years you cannot possibly compensate us. Be ready to evacuate.
Victor Cominos
July 8, 2017 at 17:52Quite on the contrary, the
Turks and the Anatolians have no right to be there. And neither have the
British. The sooner that the British get out of the bases the better.
The True Cypriot
July 8, 2017 at 19:14Get GCs out of europe and go back to 1960.
Then sit down with us and agree a deal.
You want Turkey out?
No chance.
Victor Cominos
July 8, 2017 at 20:00With your loyalty attitude and
loyalty to Turkey there will never be a deal. So, by all means remain quarantined,
out of the Republic of Cyprus, international community and the EU. It is rather
farcical that 18% of the population think that they should have a right to
dictate the legislative agenda to the other 82%. It doesn’t happen in Turkey, America,
France or Britain. I don’t see the Kurds telling Erdogon what to do. But I do
see Erdogon telling the TC what to do.
Victor Cominos
July 8, 2017 at 20:06With your loyalty attitude and loyalty to Turkey there will never be a deal. So, by all means remain quarantined, out of the Republic of Cyprus, international community and the EU. It is rather farcical that 18% of the population think that they should have a right to dictate the legislative agenda to the other 82%. It doesn’t happen in Turkey, America, France or Britain. I don’t see the Kurds telling Erdogon what to do. But I do see Erdogon telling the TC what to do.
The True Cypriot
July 9, 2017 at 00:37Sorry Victor, but you are ranting.
The Treaty can only be replaced by something different if we AGREE.
There is no no deal and there never will be – on that we agree
Victor Cominos
July 9, 2017 at 09:47It can be replaced or altered, nothing is set in
stone, all it takes is a referendum to be held within the ROC and if the people
vote to deal with the matter the matter will be dealt with. It is not possible
to allow 18% of the population to hold the either 82% hostage.
Victor Cominos
July 9, 2017 at 09:53It can be replaced or altered, nothing is set in
stone, all it takes is a referendum to be held within the ROC and if the people
vote to deal with the matter the matter will be dealt with. It is not possible
to allow 18% of the population to hold the either 82% hostage.
Victor Cominos
July 9, 2017 at 09:55It can be replaced or altered, nothing is set in
stone, all it takes is a referendum to be held within the ROC and if the people
vote to deal with the matter the matter will be dealt with. It is not possible
to allow 18% of the population to hold the either 82% hostage……..
Victor Cominos
July 9, 2017 at 09:58It can be replaced or altered, nothing is set in
stone, all it takes is a referendum to be held within the ROC and if the people
vote to deal with the matter the matter will be dealt with. It is not possible
to allow 18% of the population to hold the either 82% hostage.
Arty
July 8, 2017 at 20:55Does “you” mean Turkey?
Neroli
July 8, 2017 at 19:24They were probably going to move had our weak President negotiated reasonably!! Read the article
Victor Cominos
July 8, 2017 at 19:56It wouldn’t matter how strong the President may or may not be. Turkey has every intention to remain in the North so chat fests are a waste of time under the circumstances.
Arty
July 8, 2017 at 21:00“According to a UN source that spoke to the Mail on condition of anonymity,”
In newspaper terms this means, “we can print whatever we want, and no one can do a thing about it”.
In this day and age it’s called fake news.
Jonathan Scott
July 10, 2017 at 16:03No need to beg.
Jonathan Scott
July 10, 2017 at 20:30We have to have a laugh Victor, this is nothing more than we would do down the bar.
BigApple
July 8, 2017 at 16:57Lying scamming GCs? As opposed to those mongrols you invited in 1974? Deal with those dogs now and stop taking your anger out on us. I am so glad it’s over. No-one wants Turks in the EU anyway.
Jonathan Scott
July 8, 2017 at 17:16I invited. You GCs invited when when the Greeks invaded first to topple big Mac, partly thanks to your cowardly heroes EOKA, he even said that himself, you can even read his speech, or is that also lies. The GCs have lost full stop, you’re all just to stupid to realise it yet.
BigApple
July 8, 2017 at 17:22We sorted out that problem. You expect us to sort out the mongrols for you. Stop hissing and get back to doing your business. We GCs lost nothing in these talks.
Jonathan Scott
July 8, 2017 at 17:39You did, you just don’t realise it yet.
BigApple
July 8, 2017 at 18:16Keep dreaming.
Arty
July 8, 2017 at 21:04How much did you lose?
Jonathan Scott
July 8, 2017 at 21:09With regards to……….
Arty
July 8, 2017 at 22:52You said you was scammed.
Jonathan Scott
July 10, 2017 at 12:16Just about everything is a scam in Cyprus, nothing is what it appears to be or should be.
Arty
July 10, 2017 at 14:13You would say that.
Jonathan Scott
July 10, 2017 at 14:30It is Arty, you know and I know it, every body knows it.
Arty
July 10, 2017 at 14:52More Greek hating propaganda BS.
Jonathan Scott
July 10, 2017 at 15:39No its not, and I don’t hate Greeks, quite the opposite in fact. Infact some of my family [didn’t know them, never met them] died in Crete fighting for the Greeks and my best man was ex EOKA, high up too. So shove that where the sun don’t shine boy.
Arty
July 10, 2017 at 17:28Calm down. In fed up with your anti Cyprus posts full of venom, did your Greek boyfriend dump you?
Jonathan Scott
July 10, 2017 at 18:16Are you jealous. There is a web site you could join if you want a new boy friend, nothing wrong with that. Any way, why are you answering me and making comments to my comments when you said you didn’t want too, not that I mind. And how could my above comment be anti Cypriot or anti Greek. I’m not in.
Jonathan Scott
July 8, 2017 at 17:34Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Mong Hlop
July 8, 2017 at 17:02thx for the advice ape
Jonathan Scott
July 8, 2017 at 17:32So you think that I am great, thanks, sorry I’m not gay though so you will have to troll else where.
Mong Hlop
July 8, 2017 at 17:33you need help – your pills have expired moron
Jonathan Scott
July 8, 2017 at 18:24Really.
EJ Cash
July 8, 2017 at 17:05May I suggest you go to a psychiatrist to help you with anger management. You seem to be a person who’s full of hate. The truth can be found in many publications from British diplomats who’ve live through the entire Cyprus conflict.
That said, the truth that you need to accept is that the West (not the shills in government but the people favour the GCs). As far as the people in the West and most of the world perhaps not the Muslim side view the North as occupied territory by a hostile foreign army; despite your rantings as protectors and guardians or whatever justifiably reasons these invaders are present. The Christan West sees your side as an evil Muslim power that raped a small Christian country.
Mike
July 8, 2017 at 17:14EJ – He is probably attempting to stop any form of unification amongst Cypriots in order to protect a cheaply bought villa built on stolen land.
Air Fuse
July 8, 2017 at 17:25Probably,
Jonathan Scott
July 8, 2017 at 18:18Probably not.
Jonathan Scott
July 8, 2017 at 18:17If you are talking about me say so, man up if you can, where did you get educated and earn your money, not in Cyprus, so what are you.
Jonathan Scott
July 8, 2017 at 17:31Yeah right, I aint a Muslim either. Talk about religion, you and people like you are brainwashed from birth by parents, so called teachers and the church. I can assure you I’m not angry or feel any anger at all, I really cant stop laughing at your ignorance and stupidity, , you aren’t supported by any country or community, most people/leaders see Cyprus et al for what they truly are, your so called leader has just sealed your fait. Say goodbye to the UN force, a token amount may stay, say goodbye to your gas and if worse comes to the worse get those white flags out. But as usual the locals GCs think they know best.
Arty
July 8, 2017 at 21:05*fate
BigApple
July 9, 2017 at 01:14And it’s this attitude as to why I am glad our President packed his bags a day early. We don’t need your violent threats on our side of the island. Go back to Turkey you mongrol.
Jonathan Scott
July 10, 2017 at 12:12Pitiful little man.
Arty
July 8, 2017 at 20:45“… lying scamming GC’s..”, that’s like me saying all British are lying scamming paedophiles!!
Jonathan Scott
July 8, 2017 at 21:12Some are.