The island’s divided communities have a different perception of the current parameters of reunification, and as long as this continues resuming negotiations will lead nowhere, Turkish Cypriot ‘foreign minister’ Kudret Ozersay said on Wednesday.
In his first interview after assuming office in northern Cyprus, Ozersay said a bizonal, bicommunal federation based on political equality has been referred to as the model of reunification for the past 50 years but the two sides had a different understanding of the term.
“Basically, there is no agreement on what was being negotiated,” he said. “The two sides need to agree on the matter of the parameters and engage in negotiations within them.”
Ozersay said the two sides needed to discuss whether or not a common goal could be found.
He reiterated that the Greek Cypriot community was not ready to share power and wealth with the Turkish Cypriots, something which became obvious in the last round of talks.
“A change of approach took time and for this reason without this change, or as long as the sides do not understand the same thing as regards the parameters of a solution, resumption of the talks cannot lead anywhere,” he said.
As regards the alternatives, Ozersay said various views have been mooted, but the consent of both sides was needed.
The Turkish Cypriot politician, who previously served as his community’s negotiator in the talks, said the coalition partners in the north will be holding weekly meetings with leader Mustafa Akinci to exchange views.
“This will strengthen the Turkish Cypriot side’s position.”
163 Comments
Stanlio
February 7, 2018 at 21:50Another useless idiot. I’d like to see Turkey offer its Kurdish minority the same system and rights Greek Cypriots are prepared to accept for the Turk minority in Cyprus. Fact is that the Turk minority is being offered 10x more than it’s entitled to but it won’t be satisfied until it – or, more correctly, Turkey – is able to dictate the whole island’s destiny. Get lost, Kudret. The point of ‘reunification’ is that the island becomes truly independent and democratic within the EU, not Islamo-fascist Turkey’s satellite.
EGB
February 8, 2018 at 00:27Would you offer these Kurds the right to self-determination or would you demand they stay tethered to Erdogan’s Turkey? I doubt if you can see where I’m going with this.
Stanlio
February 8, 2018 at 03:09You’re right, pal. I’ve no idea where you’re going with your nonsense. Keep taking the tablets.
EGB
February 8, 2018 at 03:44You have no idea because you don’t think, you spout this bile you seem to think is rational.
By the way, referring to your comment to Lukas, what city approximately 3000 miles away from Cyprus are you referring to? You think he’s in Reykjavik? Maybe Kinshasa or Bangalore?
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 09:473000km below ground is where he belongs, so to speak.
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 01:09We will NEVER live with racist morons like you again.
Andrew
February 8, 2018 at 07:52Stay in isolation with turkey haha
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 09:25Not surprising to see yet another Greek humour a vile racist.
You, and people like you typify why partition is inevitable.
Attack the Greek racist and not us for standing up to him.
Andrew
February 8, 2018 at 10:06I’m not Greek. I am cypriot. How is my comment in any way racist lol. Grow a brain first
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 10:15You preach at us, but ignore a Greek racist who posts on the same thread.
That is my point.
You Greeks [no such thing as a Cypriot] play this game “that we are all Cypriots” when it suits.
Last time I looked everything about the south was Greek, not least:
– language
– religion
– Greek flags everywhere
– even your “cypriot” anthem is Greek
and so on….
You may try and kid others that you are no longer Greek, but we will never buy that tune again.
All your posts target TCs and not the Greek racists here.
That shows us where you stand.
Andrew
February 8, 2018 at 10:31And how is that any indication about the people that live there ? Does that imply every single one supports Greece ? No it does not and this is where you need to grow and understand. There are thousands who do not support a union with Greece. EDUCATE yourself before you put every single person into the same pot
Secondly I am cypriot. You do not tell me what I am . Racist pig
Thirdly. What do the illegal north do? Parade turkey flag everywhere. How is that any different. I’ll just place everyone a lover of turkey and wanting to be apart of turkey then. Your stupidity has no bounds. Congratulations
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 10:38Show me any national apology for what we suffered up to 1974?
Your church. almost every political party and every major institution piles all the blame on us.
Enosis and EOKA are STILL celebrated.
From where I sit, I see very little has changed in Greek attitudes.
Its as though 1974 had nothing to do with you.
Finally, when I suggest you tackle a vile Greek racist ON THIS THREAD [he offends every TC], you prefer to ignore that and attack us,
Andrew
February 8, 2018 at 10:46And show an apology from what was suffered during the war? This can go on for hours ..
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 10:55It has been going on for years.
Of course, I regret that any innocent people, on any side, were killed or harmed.
However, until you Greeks acknowledge that your push for Enosis, going back to 1931, is where it all started, you will never move forward.
We simply do not trust your side anymore.
OzzyTRNC
February 8, 2018 at 01:32Get lost is what you should do. There is no reunification talks but only recognition of The TRNC. Good riddance Douche bag
Golifa Primo
February 8, 2018 at 03:07OzzyTrnc Kac yasindasiniz acaba?
OzzyTRNC
February 8, 2018 at 11:28Age is irrelevant I know my history.
Andrew
February 8, 2018 at 07:51Hahahah cry much. I pay tc cheap wages cause the ‘trnc’ cAnnot even afford to pay them same wages. Keep hiding inside the caves for the next 1000 years.. while the recognised south continues to reap world benefits. If you can not see that an illegal entity is not recognised then you sir are the one that is delusional. Hm I wonder why the international community does not want to recognise an illegal state.. hmm wonder why (lol) maybe you should think about that..
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 09:27Come and take a look you ignorant fool.
We are anything but “hiding inside caves”
You Greeks really do lead the world in ignorance.
HighTide
February 8, 2018 at 09:47It’s obvious that hundred thousands of Greek Cypriots get better wages and living conditions abroad, having left your little ‘paradise’ in droves. How come?
Andrew
February 8, 2018 at 10:16That’s their decision? And Tc decision to visit the proper side in droves because it is better . FACT
HighTide
February 8, 2018 at 10:35You are confusing visitors with residents.
Andrew
February 8, 2018 at 10:38I live in a village that has Tc.
Oh but that doesn’t sound right does it ? Oh my. Why haven’t we murdered them? Why haven’t we sacked them from work?
Your propaganda feeds you constant dribble without actual facts. Why do they live on the proper side? Because what turkey did was wrong and they all say that! Proper Cypriots not Turkish nationals who defend turkey
HighTide
February 8, 2018 at 10:43Your village is not representative for anything. It’s a bunch of individuals with their own opinion. The majority of TRNC citizens endorse the policy of the president and has made clear in the past elections which way to go, – and that includes Turkish guarantees.
Andrew
February 8, 2018 at 10:47Then continue to rely on turkey then. It won’t change nothing, no one will budge
OzzyTRNC
February 8, 2018 at 11:27What Turkey did in the eyes of Racist GC’s is obviously wrong. They stoped the mass murders. Wake up man
Kuruova
February 8, 2018 at 14:52‘better’ it’s all relative. One thing we do have ‘better’ up here in the North and we can all agree on are the beaches. Years ago a GC friend of mine once described 1974 with the resultant relocation of TC’s to the North as being like the Germans coming to England and taking Piccadilly. His words no mine.
OzzyTRNC
February 8, 2018 at 11:25Will do. As Iv said previously, enjoy your side of the island. Don’t worry about what happens on our side. People have a good quality of life in the north and it will be even better once recognition is granted.
cyprus observer
February 8, 2018 at 02:01And just what are the TC minority « entitled to » in your racist opinion, sir?
Lukas
February 8, 2018 at 02:331) Turkey and Cyprus are two different countries. By adding Turkey into the equation/comparison, you elevate their position in Cyprus (not just the reunification talks). This does not work in your favor. (just a friendly note).
2) Turkish Cypriots, are one of the 2 official ethnic groups of Cyprus. The official minorities are the Armenians and the Maronites. I am not saying this, the constitution and founding agreements of the ‘legal’ and ‘official’ Republic of Cyprus states that. Therefore, you are not giving us any rights. We are legally entitled to them. Just because we were kicked out of our positions in 1963 does not mean that we gave up on them or that they just vanished or the constitution and international agreements vanished. If they had that would have caused the ‘TRNC’ to be officially and legally independent.
3) The Turkish Cypriots are not being offered anything for free. That’s why there are negotiations and no ultimatums/claims by war in Cyprus at the moment. We will give some stuff, and in return take some stuff, and vice versa. We are not claiming that we are ‘entitled to’ anything. These are negotiations/trades.
4) The point of reunification is to bring peace, stability, reconciliation to Cyprus that would lead it to be an independent and democratic country in or out of the EU. With your attitude and opinions none of those will happen. As someone who has tirelessly worked for peace in Cyprus (both in Cyprus and Europe), I honestly question myself and whether reunification is the right thing to do when I read the opinions of people like you. You and people like you are why we still haven’t reunited in 50 years.
Stanlio
February 8, 2018 at 02:58Yeah, pal. It’s me – sitting at my desk 3000 miles from Cyprus, writing acerbic comments in a poxy newspaper – that’s to blame for Cyprus’ partition. Not Turkey’s barbaric invasion, not its grotesque ethnic cleansing, not the 40,000 Turkish troops stationed on the island, not the 200,000 settlers brought in from Anatolia to facilitate the annexation of northern Cyprus to Turkey. It’s me. Maybe you need to think a bit harder as to why Cyprus is partitioned, especially since it seems you have some sympathy for the division – because you don’t like my opinions. Here’s a tip: because you don’t like someone’s opinions doesn’t give you the right to steal their property, deny them their human rights and kill them. You Turks seem to go a little wild when you’re confronted with an alternative reality, a narrative different to the stupid, propagandistic one you’ve been fed for decades.
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 09:58Cyprus is partitioned because Greeks failed to annex it to Greece through a 43 campaign of racism and violence, culminating in a failed Greek coup in 1974 that led to a legal intervention by Turkey to protect us.
Stick that where the sun don’t shine.
Andrew
February 8, 2018 at 10:19You have much to understand lol. I’ll inform you since you can not comprehend or understand because you have a little to no brain. There was 2 seperate waves during the war. After the first wave the coup was withdrawn and there was no union. But what did the Turks do? Stage bombings on their own people to justify a second wave. Look it up the ‘leader’ who created the fake state even says it was a stage to entice a Turkish response.
If there was no need to continue with the war due to no ‘enosis’ then why did the Turkish complete the second wave.
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 10:30I lived through it, so spare me the patronising drivel.
The rest of your post is the racist propaganda that you Greeks spout to deflect all responsibility for what led to 1974.
Do you seriously believe that we would ever agree to Turkey simply restoring the status quo and hand over the whole island again to a bunch of racist lunatics?
It is you that needs to learn that what we have today is a direct consequence of GREEK racism that you still seem to deny.
Very odd, but not unexpected.
Andrew
February 8, 2018 at 10:39Keep on holding on to old values idiot. When you die we will continue proper negotiation . Old people like you are what fails this country on both sides..
Search it. Your leader denktafsk I don’t now the spelling nor do I care. Even admitted (go and search it if you do not believe) that they staged bombings on their own ppl to justify an escalation in attacks
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 11:00Target the Greeks and not us.
Grow a pair.
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 13:59Notice that you are up-voting that vile racist Stanilo.
Every single TC detests GCs like him and you come on here and pretend that you want a united Cyprus, whilst praising the views of a racist Greek moron.
As I said, we know what you stand for – you cannot praise scum like him and then tell us that you resent extremists.
You have been well and truly rumbled, my ignorant little Greek neighbour.
What next – Elam???
Bob
February 8, 2018 at 16:26You are barely 30 years of age illiterate twaaaat
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 16:48Lot older, gonzo.
Now go back to your village – its missing its idiot
Kuruova
February 8, 2018 at 14:38Do you have anything to say pre-74? As you were born post 74 in England then I guess not.
Andrew
February 8, 2018 at 07:47you do realise the British forced the constitution on the Greek majority.. the british could not control the uprising of both communities and quickly put together the constitution. Little did they know of the consequence they had created. In saying this, How any minority in any civilised country around the world can gather federal equality is beyond comprehension. That’s a fundamental issue with the Turkish minority. They honestly think they own half which is incorrect.
Secondly, if you are not apart of turkey then why hold on to the prospect of forgeign troops on cypriot soil. You cannot bring up 63.. that is a irrelevant issue in today’s society ( no Greek is out to kill Turks. If that was the case killings would have started in 04)
The simple issues of forgeign troops and power sharing need to be understood by the Turkish MINORITY..
gulumbra
February 8, 2018 at 08:21The turkish cypriots do understand …. democracy doesnt work if there is an ethnic majority especially with the orthodox church pulling the strings. 63 has never ceased to be relevant.
Andrew
February 8, 2018 at 08:49If they understand then simply remove the troops.. then talks can move forward with regards to intervene rights of a foreign power (another ridiculous want by the Turkish minority)
HighTide
February 8, 2018 at 09:46Not going to happen without an overall agreement that is nowhere in sight.
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 09:46Of course we will, you idiot.
Dream on.
Andrew
February 8, 2018 at 10:20You honestly lack a brain..
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 10:33Oh, of course, Take me back to the wonderful pre 1974 days when Cyprus was a “tolerant, diverse island run by Cypriots” .
Oh no, I have now woken up and guess what, the truth has dawned on me – EOKA, Grivas, Enosis, murders of TCs, ethnic cleansing.
You lack any memory, or you hide your ignorance very well.
Andrew
February 8, 2018 at 10:42This is why this country will not move forward. Idiot 50 plus year olds that’s what. Just pass away already so we can move forward with this country properly.
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 10:43Oh really?
The Greek racists that led us to 1974 are alive and well and many were born after 1974.
We will never be conned again.
Andrew
February 8, 2018 at 10:44You are all slowly dying. One by one. Time will get you l. Then real negotiations can continue properly..
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 11:00Hateful bile – we expect it.
Again I note you target the TCs and not the vile racist GCs.
You hoping we all die off?
Problem with that strategy is that Turks on this island will outnumber your lot in 20 years time.
What then?
Clown.
paul
February 8, 2018 at 14:47oh how easy it is not to be conned when you sit on all the land and property that belongs to the other community. oh yes you will never be conned again im sure of that
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 14:55Your airport sits on our land.
Even this journal highlights Greek abuse of TC land.
Land is easy to deal with once the Greeks realise that Cyprus will never be Greek and that a negotiation means that you give up your claims that led to the division in the first place.
It is the Greeks who rejected peace deals and not us – we have made it clear that those so called talks are now over.
In terms of being conned, you well know what I meant.
Greeks bearing so called gifts of “Cypriotness” and “unity”.
We are not going back.
paul
February 8, 2018 at 14:59Yeagh how predictable i was waithing for that! can you not come up with anything better than the Larnaca airport song,you twat
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 15:01Not just the airport, you twat.
You have had 44 years to reach some kind of deal.
Its over.
paul
February 8, 2018 at 15:0344 years to reach a deal with Turkey as a guarantor. There is no race of people on the face of this continent that would accept a political arrangement backed by a a nation with an evil history like turkey,and aggression that continues to this day even in turkey itself.
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 15:07WRONG again.
You deal with us – Turkey protects us.
We will never give up our guarantees and we co own all of the island.
Cyprus is not and never will be Greek.
Get used to that.
paul
February 8, 2018 at 15:09really I wonder then why the Turks had to move 200,000 people out of the north to make it turkish! twat
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 15:10I wonder why EOKA and Enosis were ideals in a republic you shared with us?
Care to explain, you twat?
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 15:10No?
I thought not.
paul
February 8, 2018 at 15:13you turks would never share anything with anybody.ask the kurds,by the way heres a thought if turks had been the majority on the Island,would they have shared power with greeks or offered a bi zonal bi communal federation etc think not
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 15:20You have already argued that the Greeks had every right to practice genocide against us to deliver enosis, so what is your point?
You hate Turks?
Big deal – you think that we TCs care?
Twat
paul
February 8, 2018 at 15:51greeks did not need to commit genocide to obtain enosis,you where a tiny 18% minority that did not form the majority even in a single district in cyprus. The British sought to divide and rule cyprus and prevent self determination,and yes it resulted in a subsequent conflict where both sides suffered. people are who they are greek or turkish,had the island had a Turkish majority it would have been joined with turkey and rightly so
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 16:56You tried to commit a genocide until Turkey stopped you.
You all supported EOKA until the total lunatics in that terror outfit started killing Greeks.
paul
February 8, 2018 at 15:15the people of cyprus have a right to self determination in whatever way they choose.
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 15:18You do not represent the “people of Cyprus” you twat.
Further, I note you supported the murder and genocide of TCs prior to 1974, so in a way you reaped what you sowed.
A very dumb move to try and ethnically cleanse us from Cyprus when our legal guarantor was never going to allow you to complete Enosis.
You really are a dumb twat
paul
February 8, 2018 at 15:21do you realise im laughing at you? actually pity you
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 15:30Who cares what a racist little Greek moron like you thinks?
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 15:15Same reason why you have allowed 27 nations to move freely into Cyprus, why you have sub asian farm workers and why Russians and Chinese are buying up real estate and passports for fun.
Care to explain, twat?
paul
February 8, 2018 at 15:19no you said cyprus was not a greek island,you certainly had to go to a lot of trouble to remove then didnt you,and create a turkish state in the north,lets see 200.000 people removed there land and hotels stolen street names replaced with turkish ones cemetarys desecrated and turk degenerates shipped over and put into homes of greeks. And all for a place that wasnt really greek? tell ,e what district in cyprus did turks form any majority to justify all you demand?
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 15:22It was not us TCs that created EOKA in 1931 and then spent 43 years killing in the name of Enosis.
Cyprus was never Greek and never will be.
You are a sick joke.
paul
February 8, 2018 at 15:23your opinion of me is worthless
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 15:37Don’t bother commenting then.
Enjoy your banter with your fellow greeks.
paul
February 8, 2018 at 15:43I can respond to your twisted opinion,but remain indiffrent to your personal opinion of me
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 16:46Its not just my opinion – vast majority if TCs see it the same way.
Bob
February 8, 2018 at 16:20You only pretend to own stolen property that is all😁
Are you used to it yet?
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 16:23Only pick fights you can win, bozo
paul
February 8, 2018 at 15:01re build nicosia airport and free tymvou and im sure we can can talk about larnaka
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 15:01You are getting jack
paul
February 8, 2018 at 15:04exactly you just proved my entire point. twat.
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 15:08And you proved mine.
Lets agree to disagree, Twat.
paul
February 8, 2018 at 15:06so please dont amuse me by going on about larnaka.when you have two airports and all the other loot that belongs to the other community
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 15:08Who’s setting out to amuse.
The border line is drawn.
We don’s care.
Kuruova
February 8, 2018 at 14:35You guys still celebrate your fallen EOKA ‘hero’s’. Your so-called soldiers still run the lap calling ‘a dead Turk (and make no mistake that includes the TC’s) is a good Turk’. I don’t think you lot have moved on one inch. We should be afraid, very afraid.
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 09:44Firstly, we need no lessons from Greeks on anything, not least what is in our best interests and that is because you think Cyprus is Greek.
On ownership, you will find we are co owners of all of Cyorus.
The Turkish troops have kept the peace for 44 years – before they arrived in1974, in response to a GREEK coup, they stopped 13 years of Greek violence against us.
Since 1974, the Greeks have rejected every plan because you want to delete our rights, which us the very thing you failed to do trough racism and ethnic violence
Now, why would we ever agree to that???
Of course, you only want us to bring up the history that suits your warped version of history.
How about 1931?
How about EOKA?
How about Ensois?
How about killing all the British from 1950 to 1958?
How about the Akritas Plan?
How about Grivas?
How about the ethnic cleansing of Turkish Cypriot villages from 1963-74?
How about the missing Turkish Cypriots from 1963-74?
How about the vast numbers of Turkish Cypriots that fled Cyprus from 1960-74 because of Greek aggression and racism?
Of course, in your ignorant little mind, none of the above occurred.
And yet you demand we do not not talk about the past.
58 years ago you Greeks signed a TREATY, which gave us rights that your lot tried to delete from us.
You went further and started killing us.
Not one word of the garbage you spew out even hints at any Greek responsibility.
The division was 100% a Greek creation and even then we were stupid enough to vote for the Annan plan and other so called peace deals.
We CO OWN all of CYPRUS and people like you realise that Cyprus is not Greek, then even living apart will be difficult.
Your failure to do any kind of deal will result in Greeks being the minority and let us see how you behave then,
Andrew
February 8, 2018 at 10:22No I do not think it is Greek. This is why you fail and need to understand. Cyprus is cyprus. Not Greek not Turkish. You people love turkey go live there. Same with the Greeks im sick of you people who are constantly nationalistic towards countries we are not apart of. GET IT THROUGH YOUR STUPID MIND
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 10:42Again more racist stereotyping.
I have posted 2000 + comments here and not once have I said that I “love Turkey”
Most of us do not like what Turkey is doing and what annoys us is that idiots like you can arrogantly delete us from OUR country UNLESS we agree with you,
We are going nowhere, but that does not we need to live under a racist Greek system that led us to partition.
I want no part of a Greek led Cyprus ever again.
Andrew
February 8, 2018 at 10:43We are not deleting you from your country. Simply understand that foreign troops from a different entity that have no say in Cyprus are not welcome in cypriot soil. I didn’t realise how stupid you people can get.. no wonder there has been no solution. People like you are living. Honestly
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 10:57People like me???
Let me spell it out for you.
The Greek Cypriots will never rule over the Turkish Cypriots again.
Start from that point.
Kuruova
February 8, 2018 at 14:31Greek flags, national anthem, Eurovision and so on. Not Greek? I beg to differ.
paul
February 8, 2018 at 15:39you have to realise cyprus had an 80% population where many considered themselves greek and still do. There are also many who consider cyprus a Turkish Island despite the fact that it only had a tiny turkish population. much more today due to the events of the horrific summer of 1974 and subsequent settlement of illegal settlers. The british attempted to get the cyprus majority to deny who they where to serve its own interest. to be perfectly honest I think the key to any settlement will be in both communities being honest about who they think they are and working out the compromise accordingly
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 16:52It’s alway the fault of others.
We suffered massive horrors prior to 1974, but you Greeks have collective amnesia.
No compromise is possible because you all think our treaty rights should be abolished in favour of a Greek run island.
That ship has sailed.
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 16:50Thanks – a point I have made many times
paul
February 8, 2018 at 18:01yes and a turkish cypriot won voice of turkey last week,excellent performer and be great to see TC at eurovision some day
Kuruova
February 8, 2018 at 19:30I’d like to think I’m wrong but GC’s will never accept a TC signing at the Eurovisions representing ‘Cyprus’.
paul
February 8, 2018 at 19:37no not under the present situation. bayrak has to be a member of the european broadcasting union,and registered from a nation regognised by the united Nations. but politics aside and our difference on that, I repeat it would be nice to see,and I hope you will accept my well meaning comment. perhaps she would make a great first entry post settlement and get 12 points from turkey and greece
Kuruova
February 8, 2018 at 20:53Your well meaning is duly accepted!
paul
February 8, 2018 at 16:14you turks must have thought the north was certainly greek.when you had to remove 200,000 people of greek descent (the majority of the area) destroy the greek churches,rename towns and villages,and if that wasnt enough turkify the area with the lowest form of life on the planet for an island thats not greek you certainly went to a lot of trouble!! Then again ethnic cleansing rape and cultural destruction isnt exactly trouble for a nation like turkey given its lets just say……colorful history
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 16:50You Greeks started the ethnic cleansing and you almost got away with it.
paul
February 8, 2018 at 17:05an 80% percent majority would not need to fear an 18% minority who did not compromise a majority on a single town or district on The Island. however throw in The British with a cruel divide and rule policy, looking to create a second Ireland (which they did) and a turkish nation hovering like a vulture and the seeds of conflict are planted. a conflict then followed where good and decent people suffered on both sides,resulting in the bitterness and hatred still lingering to this day a lot of it for genuine reasons on both sides
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 17:16Read the constitution.
It was a Greek led, Greek run island from 1960-74 and it was under greek rule that EOKA and Enosis ran out of control – led by a vile scumbag called Grivas and supported by another vile scumbag called Makarios.
You Greeks had no intention of keeping to the treaty, so you started to attack our villages, abuse and kill our people. It went on for almost 14 years until another scumbag called Samson decided that Cyprus would be all Greek and that as we know was that.
YOU clearly do not accept the Greek role from 1960-74, referring to the British role before 1960 and the Turkish intervention in 1974.
Its as if 1960-74 never occurred in your world.
Without Greek racist crimes from 1960-74, Turkey could not have invaded.
Your lot were in charge from 1960-74, so blame them.
You are all brainwashed, hence why we would never go back.
My mission here is to counter the kind of rubbish you and others spew out on a daily basis.
Personally, I prefer we live as good neighbours and get over the past, but you lot want a Greek island.
Root cause of the problem and still is.
paul
February 8, 2018 at 17:34what i have said in any of my comments that was FACTUALLY incorrect. good neighbours is one thing,and I certainly favour compromise on cyprus. But stating facts is not spewing rubbish as you put it,facts are facts regardless of who they annoy or seem to favour. I stated that the turkish cypriots where not a majority in any district in cyprus FACT. that doesnt stop me from wanting a compromise or feeling that turkish cypriots should control an area of the island. stating a FACT that the greek cypriots where the majority on the Island,and many beleive and still do that they are greek doesnt mean I wish harm on turkish cypriots.ignoring facts in order to support one point of view over another doesnt bring compromise or a solution. There are many components to the cyprus problem and many with a horror story to tell.regardless of whether they are GC OR TC
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 17:44You ignore the treaties that are the legal basis of the constitution and the fact that that when the Greeks were in control [1960-74], you used the organs of state to try and delete us from our country.
You are still crying about the ToG – get over it as its law.
The rest of your post above is emotive hogwash.
EQUAL CO OWNERS of the whole island.
I am sorry you lack the intelligence to get that.
paul
February 8, 2018 at 17:57no you are presenting a subjective opinion of a conflict,in order to present an arguement from your point of view. I am not saying you dont raise valid points or have valid greivances,but you choose to ignore facts in order to present only your side of the arguement. yes the constitution was a fact,but the cyprus problem is a jig saw puzzle with many peices. You present yourself as the sole injured party on cyprus,in order to mantain a situation today you find favourable. In example you NUMERICALLY made up 18% of the population undisputed FACT and today control 39% of the island seized for you by a third party nation Turkey. Your angry and upset for suffering your community suffered as a result of a conflict and thats understandable,but you rant and rave on here ignoring the opinion of everyone else. just because greeks made up the majority of cyprus population doesnt make them the sole agressor in a conflict with many sides
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 18:38Nothing subjective to a legal treaty that both sides agreed to.
Only your side has chosen to break it in 1963, through ethnic violence.
You also want to argue about numbers – by all means do so, but the border has been set for 44 years and both sides have seen demographic change.
You joined the EU without our agreement and we take in migrants from Turkey that you disapprove of.
Its over.
HighTide
February 8, 2018 at 09:44“How any minority in any civilised country around the world can gather federal equality is beyond comprehension”.
Seems you cannot understand that tiny Cyprus has equal rights within the EU and the same veto option as Germany. There are numerous examples on country level too. Switzerland, Belgium and others come to mind.
As long as you wish to deal with Turkish Cyprus on a minority basis, there is not the slightest chance for an agreement.
Andrew
February 8, 2018 at 10:08That is irrelevant . Do the Turkish minority have a say in German politics? No same goes in Cyprus
HighTide
February 8, 2018 at 10:14You do not understand the workings of the EU. Cyprus is a miniscule minority within the EU but an equal member state with full veto rights as other much larger member states. An ethnic group, anywhere, has equal rights in its country of residence once its members obtain citizenship. That applies to Turks in Germany and Russians in the “ROC”.
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 11:52We are co owners of all of Cyprus, you ignorant fool.
Bob
February 8, 2018 at 13:53With your fake titles and that will never change so if I ever need toilet paper I know who to contact. Maybe you can do something for the environment in the TRNC instead of contamination four country will oil spills and don’t bat an eye lid.
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 14:00What are you prattling on about.
Speak English, you illiterate idiot.
Bob
February 8, 2018 at 14:07Speak Turkish because TC language no exist vlaka😂
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 14:11True – there is no such thing as a Cypriot either, you moron.
Proving how stupid you are !
Where do they dig these idiots up??
Bob
February 8, 2018 at 16:29My donkeys you stolen have more up too than you😂
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 16:57You are the product of a donkey, which has since disowned you.
Bob
February 8, 2018 at 14:08Now you own south too when did you steal it you filthy thieves
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 14:13Not us – our nasty big brother might though.
We TCs are very peaceful – some might say eve too compliant.
But…..
Wooohoooooooo – watch your back as the mongols will come and get you.
SleepyJoe
May 1, 2018 at 23:40I am not pro Federal solution and I will spend time on expanding my consideration on that point. In the first instance no turkish cypriot should belong to any arrangements in the absence of Turkey such a proposition will be fatal to their existence.
paul
February 8, 2018 at 14:55well said Andrew people seem to ignore,why would an 80% majority need to want conflict with an 18% minority who where not even a majority in any of the cyprus districts.common sense would tell you that. The seeds of the conflict where planted by the British,in a cruel divide and rule policy,it had worked so well for them in that other european Island Ireland and it was to be implemented here as well.
HighTide
February 8, 2018 at 15:01Unfortunately for you, you must now live with total T/C majority as your northern neighbor.
paul
February 8, 2018 at 15:30oh yes theives and squatters from turkey,unfortuneately you are correct. when you are an 18% minority you get turkey to make you into a majority at least we agree
HighTide
February 8, 2018 at 20:23Tough luck.
SleepyJoe
May 1, 2018 at 23:28Thank you , this is the first time I have witness any Greek acknowledging the agenda of killing turks. Thank you so much, you made me feel so much better for having read that. Thank you and have a nice day.
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 09:45Why are you wasting your time with a vile racist – he never replies preferring to spew our racial hatred.
Veritas
February 8, 2018 at 09:31As usual, an irrelevant comment based on an ignorant perception of the true essence of the Cyprus problem, namely our failure to understand that the RoC is a co-owned Republic between GC’s and TC’s on political equality. This is also the parameters laid out by the UN as the foundation for a solution.
As long as you and the rest of our far right nationalists continue to pursue the toxic ideas you spew out time after time, your brothers among the TC’s like TMT, Grey Wolves and the Erdogan fanatics are more then happy.
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 11:51At last, a sensible post.
HighTide
February 8, 2018 at 09:40“Another useless idiot.” It’s great that you start your post with self reflection. Whenever tangible arguments are amiss, Kurds must come to the rescue. What a tired and irrelevant attempt.
Bob
February 8, 2018 at 10:07Do you not want them exterminated? Fool
SleepyJoe
May 1, 2018 at 23:24be careful, they may end up in the south RoC and then you’ll really have problems.
Bob
February 8, 2018 at 10:02Exactly
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 11:50Keep crying you idiot.
Build that wall……
Bob
February 8, 2018 at 13:50Keep abusing people you piece of human garbage
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 13:52Responding in kind, you vile racist.
paul
February 8, 2018 at 16:05bob why do you bother responding to them,think head,brickwall,they dont want to reason or compromise,its might is right,we are keeping what we stole etc etc dont waste your time. try to move forward and engage in reasonable debate the generic response”you tried to kill us wipe us out” etc etc its futile
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 17:03We feel exactly the same about you lot.
paul
February 8, 2018 at 17:16I know you do,I also know you have genuine resentment and hurt and your community has suffered. But many people have contributed to the problem known as cyprus brits turks greeks,everyone needs to own up to this in order for it to be solved
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 17:40I get all that, but the GCs have had 58 years to get used to the fact that we either have full equality on this island, or we split.
Much as we hate Erdogan, he did not cause this.
The bottom line is that trust is broken and partition is the only solution, with a financial and land settlement.
In terms of thereafter, Greeks and Turks generally need to get over the past and both sides have dubious histories in the region.
My interest is in securing our rights on this island and nothing else.
Sadly, I do not think you GCs see it that way.
paul
February 8, 2018 at 18:19no many do I am a reasonable person capable of reaching out to your opinion. I know your are hurt we are all human beings and we are born with these labels greek turk and then form our opinions from there. you also get angry because you think people think turks dont count and the cycle of abuse and trading insults goes on. Ive always said the cyprus problem did not start in 1974,our differnce maybe is the opinion 1974 solved it. people view the same thing sometimes for diffrent ways not they are bad people for example some greeks want turkish guarantees because they are afraid of 1974 happening again,turkish cypriots understandably think greeks will attack them. these opinions arent wrong people can sometimes just be afraid and not hardline. no erdogan didnt cause the cyprus problem I actually think he did a lot of good for turkey at a time. Think hes gone down a dangerous path at the moment,and I know a lot of TCS disagree with him. We all need a stable turkey europe needs a stable turkey
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 18:32The vitriol and hatred predates Erdogan by decades.
The fact is that too many Greeks and Greek Cypriots do not like Turks – it goes back a long way. In terms of Cyprus, had Turkey not intervened then Cyprus would today be Greek.
Where you and I will differ is that you think Turkey should have cleaned up EOKA B and then handed Cyprus back to the Greek Cypriots.
What that position ignores is that Makarios and all of the other GC leaders at that time shielded EOKA for YEARS.
Its easy to blame Turkey, the Ottomans, the anatolians, the mongols [as many Greeks see all turks], the British, the USA and everyone else, but the violence in Cyprus back to 1931 started with the Greeks.
As for Turkey, the Turks will sort our Erdog at some point – every dictator has his day, but that is no excuse to try and remove our rights in Cyprus.
Finally, the EU can never be a player in any peace talks because they clearly favour the Greek side.
We are not afraid of being attacked by Greeks, but we do not appreciate the constant whining about the TRNC as the constant campaign to keep us isolated.
paul
February 8, 2018 at 18:38I give up,but you have a pleasant evening,and I mean that
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 18:41You too and I mean that.
See, we can disagree without being vile.
Please persuade some of your Greek cohort here to do likewise.
paul
February 8, 2018 at 18:43you persuade some of the turks,to do the same we will stage our own coup and run for joint president 30 months each per 5 years.hows that?
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 18:47I do not see any TCs spewing racist bile like Stanilo, ROC, Bob, to name a few.
By all means point me to those who you think are being racist.
paul
February 8, 2018 at 18:49a lot of people giving opinions isnt being racist,but many do,on both sides.good evening.
SleepyJoe
May 1, 2018 at 23:22Why hate Erdogan…. That is such an anti turkish stance …… He has established relative security , relative growth , expanded region relations and emerging regional power. The world bank announced that by 2030 Turkey will be the 10th Largest economy globally and I am proud to be a part of that collective group, as a cypriot turk i have my own particular distinct culture which is one part of the texture and fabric of the Turkish race. I think breading Anti Turkish comments is damaging.
Bob
February 8, 2018 at 16:31You build it or do you want us to spend our money nahhh sorry vlaka you look at the barbed wire so you will be recognised as caged monkeys with no recognition ahaaaaa
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 17:02You have no money, you moron.
The GCs are the 9th most indebted rabble in the world.
Look it up….oh, I forgot. Reading is tough for a donkey offshoot.
Kuruova
February 8, 2018 at 14:24No minority anymore than you are the majority with your ex Greeks/ Greek Anatolians, Russians and the rest. We are at least 500,000 strong.
SleepyJoe
May 1, 2018 at 23:14If you include me then its 500,001… Cheers
SleepyJoe
May 1, 2018 at 23:14The answer to that is simple. You are not a ruling class. The Turks are not a minority but they were the ruling class and authority on the Island. Why do you find it so hard to stomach the of Turks participating in governmental issues. This cones naturally simply because they were the Ruling Class and Authority on the Island and the Greeks were their servants.
mustafa balci
February 8, 2018 at 12:18Really so you can curry on running cyprus as you wish you have achived enosis through eu no but no thanks never
Kuruova
February 8, 2018 at 14:21Get this into your thick skull. We TC’s are co-owners of Cyprus whether you accept it or not and It is from this point that all discussions will start and end. You tried to exterminate us in the past and you got your fingers burnt to the point where you can barely wipe your a**. Let that serve as a reminder to you.
Bob
February 9, 2018 at 01:57What do you own our stolen properties 😂
SleepyJoe
May 1, 2018 at 23:10Your funny, you need to forget the Greek nationalist propaganda and reed the history books. You were peasants on the Island of Cyprus, how do Greeks end up having Ottoman Land, I’ll tell you how, you stoke it mate.
SleepyJoe
May 1, 2018 at 23:09Please consider this, Turks on Cyprus were the Ruling class and the authority. They find themselves in this scenario born out of a campaign of dirty trick involving the British and the Greek sympathisers their brethren in a game of foreign policy in suppressing Turkish controls in the region. it is common knowledge the British misappropriated Ottoman Land in an effort to fortify and strengthen their position on the Island. What has the European Union done for the Turks in 50 years except to marginalise and subject them to a campaign of attrition in which they are denied social cultural and economic rights being tantamount to a form of ethnic cleansing. Despite these best efforts, the Turks continue to exist.
CH
February 8, 2018 at 18:45The fact that you would even dare to compare Native Turkish-Cypriots to Kurds shows your attitude towards Turkish-Cypriots and how they can never be at the hand of the likes of you. People like you originate from the Bulkans, don’t forget that, not from Cyprus Geograpical location. With pepple like you around there can never be a solution.
SleepyJoe
May 1, 2018 at 22:58Im sorry to say that you have a rather hollow opinion. The Turkish People on cyprus were a ruling class and authority on the Island. That position was devised by the British annexation. If your referring to numbers, then you will need to also take into account the exodus of Turks caused by the British during that period and the numbers murdered by the Greek Terror campaign when trying to annex my hereditary and ancestral homeland to Greece. If it is numbers that count then let the monkeys rule the jungle. Your fixated with shallow arguments simply because thats all you have to advance. Give the turkish a few years of economic growth and their freedoms and you will see them multiply in no time soon overtaking the number count in the south, the will makes your argument quite redundant. …. Its intangible but desirable for the Greeks who were servant class to assigned the turks who were ruling class to a status of servitude and permit the servant class authority to dictate. That Roc, is not the 1960 establishment, because that establishment was a failed state, it loss the rule of law , control the ability to govern and rendered democracy void. That was caused by the Greek cypriots and the Greeks form Greeks who destroyed that. Funny that a guarantor power set out to destroy a democratic structure and simply trashed its duties resulting in the massacres murder and detraction of the republic. You don’t appear to complain about the facts yet you choose to advance this rediculaous proposition. In any new arrangements, it is likely that the ROC will be dismantled and a new entirety will be formed, so my for your reliance on that establishment. You lost and will always lose because you have no honour , integrity or respect. I am a native turkish cypriot and I am proud to be Turkish. I am not a minority but instead I am 1 of 80 million.
Vova Khavkin
February 7, 2018 at 21:13Key words are “political equality” which mean different things on two sides of the Green Line.
Andrew
February 8, 2018 at 07:55A minority asking for equality yep sounds correct.. not
The True Cypriot
February 8, 2018 at 09:48LEGALLY that is what we have.
Don’t agree?
Negotiate or face the consequences of partition.
“Talks” are done, kaput, over……….
HighTide
February 8, 2018 at 09:48Like your tiny minority position in the EU with equal rights?
Andrew
February 8, 2018 at 10:35Europe is not a country. Understand now ?
HighTide
February 8, 2018 at 10:40You should understand that federations and unions work along the same line: equal rights for each member regardless of size. Despite your dwarf size you are not a minority in the EU. Same would apply to the parties in a federated Cyprus.