Under the title ‘Turkey’s vision for Cyprus’, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu, in an op-ed published in the Washington Times on Sunday said a Cyprus solution would contain the EU’s four freedoms, and the 1960 guarantees would remain.
“The EU will ensure that the basic parameters of the settlement are legally anchored within its primary law. A balance between Greece and Turkey will be struck, meaning that Turkish nationals will be treated on an equal footing with Greek nationals exclusively on the Island,” Cavusoglu wrote.
“Safeguards will be put in place to prevent any recurrence of the tragic events of the past. The robust framework provided by the existing Treaties of Guarantee and Alliance will continue to ensure the future stability of the island, where the presence of Turkish forces in the north has effectively been averting any further outbreak of conflict for over four decades.”
The Greek Cypriot side has rejected both notions on numerous occasions. They say Greeks have the four freedoms in Cyprus by virtue of being EU members and that it cannot apply to Turkish nationals in Cyprus.
Cavusoglu also wrote that the two sides on the island must be politically equal.
He also said that opinion polls in the north “clearly indicate that the vast majority of Turkish Cypriots will not accept a settlement that does not entail Turkish guarantees”.
“Given their traumatic experiences at the hands of the Greek Cypriots in the ‘60s and early ‘70s, no one can blame them,” he said. “They were and still are two distinct peoples with different religions, cultures and ethnicities”.
Turkey’s vision for the future of Cyprus, he added was to transform the island “into a bastion of peace, stability, cooperation and economic prosperity.”
279 Comments
Bob
March 22, 2017 at 13:06I have news for you. You cannot go back to the old Cyprus either where you had it good. Just wait to see what happens when turkey annexes the north and your women will be forced to wear hijab and then finally burqas and then no raki, no partying, only tributes to the local mufti. I can’t wait. This is what all turkish cypriots will get and deserve.
I hope you don’t mind me stealing your comment it just reminded me of what will happen when no solution is concluded
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 30, 2017 at 02:14absolutely not, feel free : )
Chris Milikouris
March 22, 2017 at 11:55M Miltiadou
Well said and straight to the point. You hit the nail on the head.
Chris Milikouris
Miltos Miltiadou
March 22, 2017 at 00:56Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu’s piece represents nothing but transparent, shameful official propaganda of the government of Turkey: a dismal effort to justify Turkey’s ongoing brutal military aggression against Cyprus (invasion, occupation, colonization, forcible division, ethnic cleansing, massive violations of human rights, destruction of cultural property, attempted secession, usurpation of properties, etc.), an occupation that has victimized both Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots, and which has been universally condemned; and an effort to promote Turkey’s future designs for permanent control over Cyprus through purported ‘guarantees’ in order to keep military forces on Cyprus and claim ‘rights’ of military intervention and interference in its domestic affairs. Given Turkey’s lack of qualifications to join the EU, Ankara also wants to effectively affect EU policies in Brussels indirectly: through Turkish Cypriot veto powers on major policies and excessive special privileges in the government of a future weak ‘confederal’ Cyprus under the veil of a ‘bi-zonal, bi-communal federation.’ Unfortunately, the EU has yet to fully comprehend and reject Turkey’s machinations. Let us hope that Brussels and the rest of Europe will wake up to reality before it is too late for both Cyprus and the EU. Europe and the rest of the world have witnessed, and some experienced first hand, Turkey’s nauseatingly insulting arrogance and belligerent attitude toward anybody (including Turkish Cypriots) that does not surrender to Ankara’s ridiculous blackmailing tactics. It is therefore time to stand up to this dangerous bully led by an increasingly irrational Erdogan that threatens and undermines peace, stability and democracy in the region and Europe at large.
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 23:30“The
Turkish Cypriots looted, robbed and ravaged Greek Cypriot
properties…….. They must start producing instead of being mere
consumers…… The Turkish Cypriots wanted to live without working!”
Major-General Bedrettin Demirel (1917-1988)
Commander of the Turkish Invasion Forces in 1974
Source:Erbil Tusalp, “The Pasha and the General”
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 23:31so as you can see, even Demirel knew that turkish cypriots are lazy squatters who do not work and want everything handed to them. Nothing has changed.
Muchacho
March 21, 2017 at 17:28It’s funny that when the GC leadership does or says something stupid, it is met with condemnation by all in these forums GC and TC (rightly so) but if Turkish or TC leadership does or says something stupid, the TC/Turk commenters don’t condemn but actually defend it! Says a lot about the different communities on this forum. Seriously, the Turks could serve a steaming pile of s*** and pro Turkish/TC commenters would eat it up and say thank you! No critical thinking for some…
Qovaq
March 21, 2017 at 17:42Your GC super patriot, so called politicians have been serving up piles of steaming s**t for 50 years and the poor GC public have been lapping it up.
“Everybody will go back home, Turkish army will be out…l.blah…blah”
Does it ring a bell?
Muchacho
March 21, 2017 at 17:57And Cypriot commenters on this forum have condemned those shameful practices. You on the other hand try to excuse the rubbish your leaders spout through deflection. You have just proven my point with your comment. Look in the mirror and you will see a fine example of a blinded super patriot. Please tell me again how Akinci is a model statesman and how everything is the fault of one side. It will make you feel good and I will have a good laugh. Better yet, please explain how Cavosoglu’s demands make perfect sense but wait for me to get the popcorn and a handkerchief to wipe away the tears of laughter.
Qovaq
March 21, 2017 at 18:19This proves beyond doubt the complete difference in outlook between GCs and TCs. If they ever reunite, which won’t happen, they’ll be a bigger bloodbath than any time before. You’ve proven my point.
Muchacho
March 21, 2017 at 18:27Wow, you got all that from my previous comment. Please explain how so if you can? Your comments are vacuous and are no substantial response to any comments I have made. On second thoughts, you’re not funny, just boring. Where’s Erudite when a good laugh is needed? I’m bored of posting with you now.
Qovaq
March 21, 2017 at 18:37I’m so happy. Have a nasty….er I mean nice day.
Fevzi Ogelman
March 21, 2017 at 19:25It just shows that we have serious differences and not in a million years we’ll unite. Why are we arguing? We will stay as two states. That’s the reality.
Muchacho
March 21, 2017 at 20:25I agree. In 1960, Enosis was the dream of the GC President. Taksim was the dream of TC Vice President. I just wish both sides would stop trying to pin sole blame for the unworkable constitution of 1960 on each other. Difference is that the GC leadership has moved on from the ridiculous dream of enosis and just want to keep the status quo for their own selfish gain. The TC leadership has never budged from the idea of Taksim and believe in the propaganda that the majority if not all GCs still want enosis. The hypocrisy and blame game is sickening from both sides. The reality is also that partition will not happen diplomatically because of the invasion of 1974. The despicable and inhumane coup led to the invasion but it is the invasion itself which was an illegal, excessive, callous and calculated reaction that killed off any chances of real peace and unity, however slim they were. The hard reality is that partition will never be accepted by the GC population through any referendum even if it’s dressed up as a bizonal, bicommunal whatever-you-want-to-call-it. The hardest reality is that the Cypriots of both North and South suffer because of partition but have actually been convinced by the actions of not only their Cypriot leaders but more importantly the Greeks and Turks that the status quo is great and necessary. We all lose out without unity but our short-sighted and selfish politicians don’t. We are bickering with each other over two nations that simply don’t care about us. The Greeks have sold out the Cypriots countless times in history and the Turks have used Cypriots for their own political reasons. The sooner both communities realize this the better. I will not defend the fat pig Kotzias and I wouldn’t expect any intelligent TC, capable of critical thought to defend the slimy toad Cavosoglu. Neither give two hoots about the Cypriot people and are using the Cyprus problem for their own countries’ selfish political reasons.
peterospet
March 21, 2017 at 22:20So very true. For me, a GC, Enosis with Greece would sound like a threat. First of all it’s Greece’s situation, but it’s also how many times Greece has betrayed us and basically never ever did they help Cyprus. Greece staged the coup, Greece bankrupted us, and even Greek people from Greece deny that we were betrayed, their attitude for this matter gets me sick. But at least we GC acknowledge this, the TC on the other hand only recently they’ve began to get that Turkey is here for their own interests, they occupy that piece of land for their own interests, the invasion was only for their own interests and don’t give a f*ck about TC. Turkey is keeping them isolated from the world, by insisting to occupy the land, but they continue believing Turkey is helping them. The worst joke I’ve heard from TC is that the invasion took place for the protection of TC. The invasion was the reaction, so that Cyprus would not be unified with Greece, that was their interests, not to protect anyone. The other thing they don’t get is that any demands for the Cyprus problem made by the turkish side is in the interests of Turkey mainly, not TC. What do the guarantees do for example? Give Turkey excessive rights, claiming they are there for the protection of Cypriots is extremely ridiculous, safety is an internal matter. WIth guarantees Cyprus is not really independent, and I’ve never heard again of any other state that’s considered independent to be guaranteed by a foreign state. That thing about the four freedoms to turkish nationals I just take it as a joke, it’s not even being discussed between the two sides.
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 23:05excellent post
peterospet
March 21, 2017 at 22:27I prefer braveheart, but at times he gets boring.
afrocyprus
March 21, 2017 at 21:02Muchacho, There is no point in having a discussion with Qovaq, first he has very minimum IQ that would not even reach your level of standards or understanding once a Troll always a Troll, because he has no friends he comes on CM to wind us
up.he cannot put anything in logical fashion, only one thing one can do when it attached to the bottom of your shoe and that’s wipe your shoe on the grass, you don’t want to bring the stench inside your home.
Muchacho
March 21, 2017 at 21:16I know but there is entertainment in it and we do like a laugh.
afrocyprus
March 21, 2017 at 21:24well thank god I dont get to smell you.
afrocyprus
March 21, 2017 at 20:53Spot on, I so glad you see that, I never met such a race of deniers when I have presented them with cold hard facts, they tend to ignore it when replying , or deflect it with another question or personally attack you, I so glad I’m not the only one that’s seen it.
Muchacho
March 21, 2017 at 17:11This joke of an FM speaks as much rubbish if not more than Kotzias! I bet in reality the Greek and Turkish FMs sit together drinking coffee having a good laugh with each other about the insanity they spout. Bet they have a game going about who can troll the international community the most. All at the expense of a very painful and disastrous Cyprus situation. This guy is a disgrace. Despicable little man.
Steely Mike
March 21, 2017 at 13:54Careful how you handle this. The Republic, by virtue of its passports for Investments has admitted foreign nationals who formally had no EU rights.
Gismofly
March 21, 2017 at 14:42Good point.
charlie
March 21, 2017 at 16:15Has you say: the republic has “admitted”, they weren’t forced into the republic
Gismofly
March 21, 2017 at 13:07What Cavusoglu has said is perfectly reasonable to the intelligent observer. It is a sad fact that the longer
Greek Cypriots cling to the bigtory in Greek nationalism the longer the Island will remain divided. There are Greek Cypriots who can see the way forward but not enough of them at present and they have little influence on politicians. I say scrap all talks on reunification for a generation or two and just concentrate on being good neighbours – North and South Cyprus. Andaxi?
NuffSaid
March 21, 2017 at 14:05What cabosoglu has asked for is completely unreasonable. Can you explain why you think it is reasonable considering Turkey is not an eu member state?
Gismofly
March 21, 2017 at 15:07Really, the EU have nothing to offer in settling the Cyprus problem. The mandarins in Brussels don’t understand it and have a built in prejudice against Turkey anyway. It’s the Greeks who influence how the EU thinks on the problem and even though they are a beggar nation they use their influence very well.
Up untill now the Turks have been very cooperative on the Cyprus question. So far all they’ve asked for is security for the Cypriot Turks and a fair share in the government of the whole Island. I sense a change coming. Mainland Turkey appears to be hardening in its attitude to the outside world and pushing its Muslim identity. This is not good for Europe and is certainly going to be bad news for Greek Cypriots because Turkish nationalism is on the rise. We will see this in demands being made for settlement; possibly along the lines of compensation for property and lives lost during the 1974 Cypriot Civil War and before that during the EOKA terrorist years. Personally, I think Southern Cyprus has missed the bus and we will not see reunification of the Island in our lifetime.
NuffSaid
March 21, 2017 at 15:49You did not answer the question, can you explain why you think it is reasonable for turkey to have the same rights as other eu members but is not an eu member?
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 22:53the answer to that one is very easy, turks are very spoiled and have an extreme entitlement problem.
Rissole Bland
March 21, 2017 at 16:50“Turks have been very cooperative” YOU ARE HAVING A LAUGH! Kicking 160,000 GCs out of their homes and giving them away to illegal settlers or flogging them of to carpetbaggers is being cooperative? you need to see a doctor!
Qovaq
March 21, 2017 at 17:11You need to see a doctor for your blood pressure bland Rrsole. lol
John Aziz Kent Kent
March 23, 2017 at 11:43Rıssole Bland STOP provokıng wıthout you havıng true knowledge
Of how when why and by whom the whole problem of Cyprus started
Ask the Orthodox Church to tell you the TRUTH PLEASE
Rissole Bland
March 23, 2017 at 13:35Who the hell do you think you are to tell me to stop expressing my opinion here. Turkey may employ bully boy tactics – you can’t do that here. I know much more about the roots of the Cyprus problem than you can imagine. As to who started it, how far would you like to go back?
Alkis
March 21, 2017 at 14:57To be an EU member a country has to conform to EU standards and norms. To give Turks the same rights as EU nationals in Cyprus, without Turkey abiding by EU law, is nonsense.
Bluestorm
March 21, 2017 at 16:25No ,it is not endaxi.
Bob
March 21, 2017 at 12:01Lol. Is this guy for real. Cyprus is not a back door for Turks to enter the EU. Turkey is pushing this issue so that a solution will never be found. There is not one EU X member apart from there beloved UK that would support such a proposal. No other member states will agree to it. Hence the road they are walking. It is partition that these gypsies want using all the dumb ass excuses to stall the talks.
Andreas Louca
March 21, 2017 at 11:47are we missing the point ., WE have sat back and blinded ourselves into falsehood and the UN also , into thinking that both communities were in talks to settle the Cyprus Problem , when in fact the cause of the problems in Cyprus is Turkey. and it is Turkey that controls and dictates what the Turkish Cypriot community can do or not do . They claim to have an un recognize state , but in reality is completed controlled and financed by Turkey , and its Turkish Cypriots community has been over run by Turkish settlers. Now again Turkey is dictating what Cyprus should be and not its Citizens ( Greek/Turkish Communities ) . Its claims that the minority should be politically equal . Then apply this same principal to the Kurds of Turkey. Clean up Turkey first , with freedom of expression, and freedom of the press and treat your minorities as you want others to treat theirs.
Bob
March 21, 2017 at 12:06Unfortunately you are dealing with a race that believes in equality only when it suits them. I prey heavily for the crossings to be shut and to increase our military power to protect our green line border
Halit
March 22, 2017 at 05:40Na PAS na ghamitis me tous Tourkous,then again” exete skipsi stous Tourkous 500 xronia. it’s into your DNA become your genetic identiti.
Cypriote
March 21, 2017 at 11:13As a Cypriot Turk I hate to see 80 million Turks to have the same rights as Cypriots on the island.
hh faris
March 21, 2017 at 11:49Cypriote, That is because you are not “Turkish Cypriot” !!!
Bob
March 21, 2017 at 12:07No I think he is looking at the reality on the ground?
NuffSaid
March 21, 2017 at 12:13What would you know, you live in Sweden and support erdogan at all costs. You are a hypocrit.
Halit
March 22, 2017 at 05:36You can’t be Cypriot Turk,remember Grivas Makarios ? If you are Cyprus Turk ” Kesinlikle Gotverenin oglu oldugun besbelli. Kesinlikle Turk olamazsin, .
Turksen cevap verirsin fakat zannetmem.
Cypriote
March 28, 2017 at 19:19Annen guzelmi?
Banker
March 21, 2017 at 10:28GC side did not accept the annan plan and it seems that now they have to deal with all Turkish national four freedoms after all…
Bob
March 21, 2017 at 12:10We did not accept inequality. We do except freedom and democracy something Turkey knows very little about
cyprus observer
March 21, 2017 at 10:01Turkey’s vision for the future of Cyprus, he added was to transform the island “into a bastion of peace, stability, cooperation and economic prosperity.”…..probably just about everyone’s vision for Cyprus…..but it ain’t going to happen.
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 22:59and you believe what any leader from turkey says?…………..turkey in 74 also said that they were invading Cyprus to restore constitutional order per the treaty of guarantee, but when it was restored on july 23rd 1974 (when clerides was sworn in ) they expanded the invasion. Never trust a turk.
Cypriote
March 28, 2017 at 19:17Few years ago Turks saying zero disputes with their neighbours, fell out with Iraq, Iran, Syria, Greece, Germany, Russia, Holland, France, Denmark, USA, Israel and now they are saying peace and prosperity for Cyprus.
charlie
March 21, 2017 at 09:30Turkish nationals can’t be “treated on a equal footing as Greek nationals”, as they are not citizens of an EU country.
Usual turk, being refused the entry to the EU by the main door, tries to get in through the basement…
Fevzi Ogelman
March 21, 2017 at 11:37The four freedoms can apply in Cyprus only to strike a balance with Greek nationals, otherwise no deal.
NuffSaid
March 21, 2017 at 11:54Turkey is not an eu member, why should it have the same rights as all other eu members? It is privilege of being an eu member state that allows the four freedoms. All eu member states have the four freedoms on the RoC not just Greece therefore to say turkey should have the same rights as Greece is disingenuous. It is an unreasonable request made by turkey who would only gain those rights if it became a member of the eu. What turkey is trying to do is to prevent any settlement on Cyprus until turkey becomes an eu member.
Fevzi Ogelman
March 21, 2017 at 19:08Turkey will not become an EU member but keep N. Cyprus as it is,,,,TURKISH.
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 23:49……………….and internationally isolated.
NuffSaid
March 22, 2017 at 12:04It’s Turkish? I think the TC’s would have something to say about that. If they think they are Turkish and not Cypriot then off they go to Anatolia. The same for any gc’s who think they Arévalo Greek, off your go. Cyprus is for Cypriots.
Frederic Harakis
March 23, 2017 at 18:15Stupid me, I have not realised that Northern Cyuprus has already been annexed by Turkey
For all the pronouncments I have read the demand for the 4 freedoms takes the first prize for arrogance and stupidity and Mr Ogelman your statement comes close second.
Are all these statements indicative of the level of intelligence. I strongly believe NO. Those with intelligence and rationality are now rotting in the sultan’s jails.
Fevzi Ogelman
March 24, 2017 at 10:57Why is it so difficult to understand the Turkish demand for the ‘four freedoms’? Take it out for the moment……imagine we have a solution, under the EU free movement rule Greeks and GCs come in large numbers to live and work in the north, TCs finished…..you say you’re intelligent….do you think TCs will accept this? Please answer the question.
Frederic Harakis
March 24, 2017 at 16:15I understand and do appreciate your concern. But there are EU rules which we have to adide with. The four freedoms, in my view, is a non starter. It should be debated directly with the EU. If the EU pronounces that it is ok then I do not think the GC side would object to it, and I do not think they should object anyway.However there are a couple of other points I wish to mention and do correct me if you think I am wrong.
There supposed to be provisions in the anticipated agreements for proportions of Greeks in turkish areas and visa-versa.I understand there is no disagreement by the parties here. So I do not think either side will be overwhelmed by the other sides nationals.
If the four freedoms is such a crucial point (make or brake the negotiations) why was it not discussed at the very beginning. We would all have known and proceeded to discus an amicable divorce without the bitternes that has now entered the negotiations and averted the waste of time and money.
A final point (question really):
Why has it not been a suggestion by either side that Greek or Turkish nationals will be blocked from entering the other’s area? I suspect some potitical correctness is involved here.
Besides, Greek or Turkish nationals will only come to Cyprus if the smell money and my apologies if you are not turkish cypriot.
Fevzi Ogelman
March 24, 2017 at 21:38From the principle of bi-communal, bi-zonal federation TCs understood that they would be in the majority in their state, that GCs who would come there would not exceed more than 20% of the total. There would be no need for ‘four freedoms’ to anybody. However, in the negotiations between the leaders the GC side secured the ‘four freedoms’ for all EU nationals, saying obviously that was an EU norm. This is a trap for TCs who would be overwhelmed in the future. This would trigger intercommunal violence, longing for the peace we have now. The best way to overcome this issue is agreeing to the 80/20% ratio as mentioned above and have it as a permanent derogation from EU law. I believe Malta did secure this concession in her accession to the EU. GCs do not accept this. One more reason why there won’t be an agreement.
Frederic Harakis
March 25, 2017 at 14:20The greek south could also be overwhelmed by turkish nationals. So it is in both parties interest to take the 80/20. But what you hear in the newspapers is often not what actually is in reality. What I have heard is that there is convocation regarding the 80/20 but no agreement yet. It might well be that either side are keeping it as bargaining item. You mentioned Malta, so there is a precedent here although in Malta’s case how was the 80/20 determined? after all there is only one community in Malta. I for one would accept the 80/20. Would you?
Fevzi Ogelman
March 25, 2017 at 18:59Yes, I would accept the 80/20 ratio in Cyprus and the ‘four freedoms’ dispute would be solved. In the case of Malta I don’t know what the agreed formula was but being a small island with a nice Mediterranean climate their proposal not to be overwhelmed by the ‘cold’ northern members was accepted as reasonable.
Frederic Harakis
March 25, 2017 at 21:14You have stirred my interest but I could not find anything on Malta. So be it. We are in agreement here and maybe the negotiators will take note.!! Now the second thorny point which is the ‘guarantees’. There is a very good article on this, by Alper Ali Riza in the Opinions-CM REGULAR COLUMNIST. You might be intersted to read it.
It is 18:11 here it must be 20:11 in Cyprus. Have a nice evening and maybe we meet again, it was nice talking to you
Bob
March 21, 2017 at 12:14We have learnt of the Turk for thousands of years. You cannot full us no longer. Convince yourself first of this request and its absurdity.Keep in mind The famous word ‘equality ‘which your pseudo government speaks so highly of when deciding to strike the balance
charlie
March 21, 2017 at 15:18You haven’t understood….greek nationals are EU citizen, not turks living in cyprus….
Bluestorm
March 21, 2017 at 16:29Balance? You have a crooked weighing scale!
Bob
March 21, 2017 at 12:11More like via the sewer
Fevzi Ogelman
March 21, 2017 at 19:05You got it wrong. Turkish nationals DO NOT WANT to be EU members but at present they can freely travel to and get permits to live and work in N. Cyprus. Turkey will not give these rights up considering that in a possible solution all EU members including GCs and Greeks will be able to swamp the Turkish Cypriots in the north. Anyway, all this is academic as there WON’T be a solution and Turkish nationals will have the above benefits anyway.
charlie
March 21, 2017 at 21:10well, if they like to work in an Anatolian enclave, why not.:)
And on top of that, it’s one more very convenient excuse to prevent Turkey admission to the EU.
Russell Livingstone
March 21, 2017 at 08:40Both side are equally to blame
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 23:06both sides are guilty of the same kinds of attrocities, but both sides are not equally to blame for partition of the island. That is solely the fault of turkey. The Greek Cypriots are not to blame for that.
steve stavrou
March 21, 2017 at 08:19The Government of Cyprus should give all residents of Cyprus equal rights no matter what ethnic background and then tell Turkey to piss off and take their soldiers with them.
I thought all the talks were about the Peoples of Cyprus and finding a solution to interfering governments creating problems on this small island.
Cyprus is for All Cypriots not Turkey,Greece,United Kingdom or U.S.A.
The Past is History . Learn from it and move on for the benefit of All People.
cyprus observer
March 21, 2017 at 10:04Last I heard, Cyprus was in the EU so at least 2 of your countries have th right to live on Cyprus.
charlie
March 21, 2017 at 07:40Meanwhile, americans are rubbing their hands: more trouble in europe thanks to their everlasting sunni muslim allies…:)
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 23:07Maybe you haven’t heard, the U.S. honeymoon with turkey is over. See what is going on in syria to understand further.
charlie
March 22, 2017 at 09:29officially
charlie
March 22, 2017 at 13:47officially…
officially, Turkey is fighting ISIS too…:D
charlie
March 21, 2017 at 07:31Turkey go home
Fevzi Ogelman
March 21, 2017 at 19:15Turkey IS at home, didn’t you know? Turkey finances the trnc, brought water, soon electricity, building luxury hotels. Do you think they will give all that up and let Greeks and GCs come and occupy the north because they are EU citizens? We don’t have a deal my friend. Turkish FM has spelt out the terms. We know you don’t agree with them, so good-bye.
charlie
March 21, 2017 at 21:08What’s in your chicha?
Turkey go home. Nobody wants you in Europe.
Fevzi Ogelman
March 21, 2017 at 22:33You’re repeating yourself. Read the above comment again. We’re talking about Cyprus, not Europe.
charlie
March 22, 2017 at 09:32well, the republic of cyprus is in the EU, in case you don’t know. It’s not the case for the “recognized by nobody” TRNC.
Turkey go home.
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 23:09fevzi I agree with you , there should be no deal. A 30 foot wall should be built along the greenline and each side should go about it;’s own business. Anyone that believes that there can be fair solution is on drugs because we do not want to live with 3rd world islamic towel head hayvans anyway so turkey in one way has done us a favor when it partitioned the island.
vsc
March 21, 2017 at 23:16This is the most misleading comment i have seen in the comment section. Stop pride your self about the money you invest and admit that Turkey has STOLEN the land (despite all the technicalities you use to hide behind your finger) and created a so called TRNC state, that is essentially Turkey in disguise, and demands to be recognized by other nations. As a Cypriot, and NOT a Greek Cypriot, we have seen this “protect our people” play before from Turkey. Turkey doesn’t belong there, Greece doesn’t belong there. We are a nation that is getting more and more power and importance and you don’t have an excuse to “babysit” us anymore… Go solve your own problems and leave us in peace. We will do amazing as soon as you leave the island
TC Alkan Volkan
March 21, 2017 at 01:23Antonis, You are saying, what the Turks did in 1974. I am asking you what th GC did to their countryman the T C in 1950/ 1960/and in 1970s , if you are too young to remember , ask your father or your grandfather. Its all because your your stupid idea of megalo idea, ESOSIS , has brought Turkey to Cyprus in 1974. You like or not they are there to stay forever.
afrocyprus
March 21, 2017 at 01:44Your really need to move on, and I tell you why. because the demise and extinction of the TCs wont be down to the greeks this time, as you keep going on about, but you been used by the Turkey, you been over populated in the north deliberately by Turkey and once the settlers become the majority in your own country, then what you going to say, ” oh lets blame the greeks for this too” you need to wake up and see whats going down because what ever happens in the future GC’s will still be on this Island as for TC’s I do not see a good picture, so you need to look good.
antonis/ac
March 21, 2017 at 02:00In the 50s more Greeks were killed by Turks on the island than Turks killed by Greeks. In the 60s an almost same number of Greeks and Turks were killed by the other side. (confirmed by Richard Patrick’s study, and a UN study.) Between 1968 and 1974 (prior to the Turkish invasion), not a single Turk was killed by Greeks in Cyprus. More Turkish Cypriots left Cyprus the ten years (1974-1983) after the Turkish invasion than those who left Cyprus the decade prior to the Turkish invasion (1963-1974.)
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 02:56Mpravo antoni, exeis dikio, mpesta!
Halit
March 21, 2017 at 07:43Na PAS na ghamitis Tourkobastardemenos mounoxilo pinasmenos ellinas
cyprus observer
March 21, 2017 at 10:06Why do you continue to confuse Greeks and Turks with Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots?
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 02:53Alkan you are right but you only tell part of the story. tc’s also did bad things as well. No one was angels. You know this too. Also there is no “forever” with Cyprus. One day another power will come and take the north away from the turks or take the whole island. Maybe Russia. Anything is possible and never say never or never say forever when it comes to Cyprus. History has taught that to all of us.
charlie
March 21, 2017 at 07:35In those times (and before) non communist greek cypriots were also killing communists GC, that didn’t trigger the intervention of the Varsaw pact in the island.
As for “who did what”, I think things were equally shared both sides, taksim vs enosis.
As for the killing, read below what Antonis wrote…and cut your propagandist BS
gopher
March 21, 2017 at 08:26we can go back to the mongol invasion even before that… idiot
never with our signature for the monkey enclave
antonis/ac
March 21, 2017 at 00:40After what the Turks did in Cyprus in the summer of 1974 and what they are currently doing in Turkey, murdering, raping and torturing their own people, only a madman would accept them as guarantors in Cyprus.
Halit
March 21, 2017 at 07:48We don’t rape our own people. Maybe, your people get used to be dominated 500 years with othomaniko Dikio and you long to be dominated with the same Turks.
Cyprus newer be enosis with GREECE as Istanbul xronia me kero Pali tha ienai Istanbul.
Move on asshole,it’s history.
Fevzi Ogelman
March 21, 2017 at 11:41But Turkish troops brought peace to the island for the last forty years, including the south.
NuffSaid
March 21, 2017 at 16:31A stalemate is not peace it just means there have been no further fighting to date.
Louis
March 21, 2017 at 00:13First they use the refugees to blackmail Europe, now they use Cyprus.
Might change if they get another 6 billion though!
Air Fuse
March 20, 2017 at 23:46Who wants to give these delusional characters the four freedoms while his imam is also reiterating demands for nuclear weapons to point at the EU? Come on now!
Turkey will be razed to the ground, constantinople will return to the Greeks and kurdistan will rise from the ashes before either happen I think.
dragonslayer33000
March 21, 2017 at 02:34don’t dream too much
Halit
March 21, 2017 at 07:50What you are smoking mate?
Sto agio putcho tha gini Ola aufta.
Fevzi Ogelman
March 21, 2017 at 11:42Give me some of what you’re smoking please.
TheGermanSwiss
March 20, 2017 at 23:06Turkey just uses the Cypriot issue to blackmail and press EU for more rights for them. The target is (central) Europe not Cyprus.
It has nothing to do with TCs support, What advantage a TC person would have when 80 Mio. Turkish people enjoy all EU rights in Cyprus ?
afrocyprus
March 20, 2017 at 23:53Turkey tried to bully the germany and the netherlands, it never worked, now the whole of the EU countries has seen what Turkey is all about, they can throw their toys out of the pram as much as they want, but now they have been exposed as to what they are.
Stanlio
March 20, 2017 at 23:03Lots of talk in the media now about how Turkey is the ‘sick man of Europe’ again, and we all know how that ended for them. The Turk minority in occupied Cyprus should be getting their yurts ready. They could be on the move soon.
Brian Hu
March 21, 2017 at 05:52The Turkish colonists had taken native Greek lands in Cyprus. Driving them back to Turkey would be karmic justice.
Halit
March 21, 2017 at 07:51Greece is licking asses of Euro.
You are sick of Hunger.
It’s disgraceful that you won’t accept that you people are hungry.
Banker
March 21, 2017 at 10:25Greece is the “dead man of Europe”. Let see how it goes…
dragonslayer33000
March 20, 2017 at 21:57to all greek cypriot, there is no going back to the old cyrpus. the day of dominating the minority turkish cyrpriots is over.
just deal with it
gopher
March 20, 2017 at 22:21a fair solution with a modern state for all in CY yes but we will never accept to become subjects of the sick islamic sultanate… enjoy the harem morons.
dragonslayer33000
March 20, 2017 at 22:31subjects? who is talking about subjects. Let everyone rule over themselves
gopher
March 21, 2017 at 08:27it does not work like that moron
Maz
March 20, 2017 at 22:23The Greek Cypriots are just fine don’t worry yourself. You can carry on living in an unrecognised illegal state under the Sultan, good luck with that mate
afrocyprus
March 20, 2017 at 22:24I agree Maz, but he not a Tc, Ignore him he is here to provoke. I not wasting my breath on him anymore,.
Maz
March 20, 2017 at 22:37You’re right arguing with scum is not worth it,
afrocyprus
March 20, 2017 at 22:48ok agree, enough on the village idiot, he needs his sleep now. LOL
dragonslayer33000
March 20, 2017 at 22:30unrecognised yes but free to chart their own course without greeks running their lives. Nothing like being masters of your own destiny. Better to be free.
It hurts GCS that they can no longer call the shots up north. Hurts real bad.
afrocyprus
March 20, 2017 at 22:47hahahaha chart their own course, you don’t have a compass you got a black night with no stars, your a toilet cleaner not a navigator and your telling me chart their own course, you could not even get drunk in a beer factory even if you tried, I have never laffed so much for the village idiot hahhahahahahhhahahha
Maz
March 20, 2017 at 22:52?????
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 00:03tc’s can not chart their own course existing as the hamals of ankara. Whatever it is ankara says, they must obey. I love it. On the other hand we are free of turks. I love that too.
dragonslayer33000
March 21, 2017 at 02:36good. free of turks. go do your thing and let turks do their own
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 03:19I just read that you are neither a turk or turk cypriot so you don’t even have a right to speak here.
pkay1000
March 21, 2017 at 10:18You’re welcome. if you love turkey so much you know where it is. Go join the sultan.
dragonslayer33000
March 21, 2017 at 02:36then stop crying about reunification then
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 00:01you are free of Greeks, this is true, but now you have become slave of ankara. All you did was trade one master for another. Gecmis olsin.
dragonslayer33000
March 21, 2017 at 02:35doubt TC see themselves as slaves but better a slave of ankara than a slave of greeks
pkay1000
March 21, 2017 at 10:16Lol slaves of Greeks. That’s a new one do tell when did the Greeks have Turkish slaves.
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 22:51I am only repeating what tc’s commonly say online.
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 22:50they may or maynot see themselves as slaves but that doesn’t matter, they are slaves to ankara. How much money does the illegal pseudostate owe turkey for propping up it’s economy? did you know that erdogan has stated that he intends on making tc’s pay back all the money taht turkey has given you hamals in the event of a “solution” s? lol
Louis
March 21, 2017 at 00:12Chart their own course? You are still living in the days when Fragonard were around
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 00:00I have news for you. You cannot go back to the old Cyprus either where you had it good. Just wait to see what happens when turkey annexes the north and your women will be forced to wear hijab and then finally burqas and then no raki, no partying, only tributes to the local mufti. I can’t wait. This is what all turkish cypriots will get and deserve.
afrocyprus
March 21, 2017 at 00:31your so right
dragonslayer33000
March 21, 2017 at 02:35lol at forced to wear to the hijab. take a trip to izmir ya moron
Halit
March 21, 2017 at 07:59Like you are saying: Christian’s forced to wear cross? You fucked up idiot.
pkay1000
March 21, 2017 at 10:14Yes compare it to just 5 years ago. Now tell me that nothing has changed!
Wake up and smell the coffee turkey has changed for the worse.
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 22:47laugh now, cry later.
afrocyprus
March 20, 2017 at 21:54He is a a typical situation what most gcs have always said what turkish supporters have always denied which is “Turkey calls the Shots” most Turks here on CM always tell us that Turkey does not call the shots and here we have Mr Cavusoglu demanding my question is why has Mr Akinci not said it?
I would like to hear from the horses mouth, I though he was leading the peace talks ( I said in tongue in cheek) this is a prime example of what Turkey demands not Poor Mr Akinci, on a game of Chess you always find the pawn will be sacrifice for greater expansion.
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 20, 2017 at 23:34turkey calls all the shots in the illegaly occupied north of the island. Anyone that believes otherwise is delusional.
afrocyprus
March 20, 2017 at 23:46totally agree its the troll here that try and speak for the TC’s they need to stand up and speak.
Air Fuse
March 20, 2017 at 23:51They speak the same language.
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 20, 2017 at 23:52ok my mistake sorry
dragonslayer33000
March 20, 2017 at 21:54the fact of the matter is , if you are turkish cypriot, you share nothing in common with a greek cypriot. so why contemplate a life of living under greek control. The turks know that. Last time this happened turkish cypriots were being shot. If it wasnt for the turkish invasion, there would have been no turkish cypriot alive today.
I say partition is best solution
afrocyprus
March 20, 2017 at 22:01I have never heard such rubbish, if your TC you should be ashamed of yourself, first of all the Cypriot greek langue dialect shares many Turkish words, you need to visit overseas countries where GC and TCs have married. they share culture on the Island both good and bad, in actual fact TC and GC share together more than the Turks doin Cyprus only thing will happen now is that you will drive them to extinction.
Your should be ashamed unless your anatolian and then I would not expect any difference from you.
dragonslayer33000
March 20, 2017 at 22:03we all saw the sharing of clutures and commonalities during the chaos and murder of the 60s and 70s. who are you kidding?
afrocyprus
March 20, 2017 at 22:11I not getting into a history lesson with you because your a typical case of not wanting to move forward you want to drive a wedge between GCs and TC’s
The most you achieve will by be the demise and extinction the TC’s
So really I don’t care want you want.,
dragonslayer33000
March 20, 2017 at 22:15lol at demise and extinction. that’s what the GC have been saying since the 60s. Too bad you guys failed at it. Things are a little different now. with 40,000 turkish troops as security.
GCs should give up dreaming and realise the cold hard facts on the ground
afrocyprus
March 20, 2017 at 22:19I dont need a liar like you to deny me facts ok, stand up and tell the truth ” you telling me that the Turkish Cypriots are not in decline in Cyprus, are you deny that so many are leaving Cyprus for other countries, what really gets me about people like you is that you never stick to facts but have to lie to tryand prove a point,
To be honest I don’t care what you say, GC’s will always be on the Island with or without a peace for solution and with or withyou the likes of you folk.,
dragonslayer33000
March 20, 2017 at 22:33good. better the status quo. you do you and TCs will do TCs.
afrocyprus
March 20, 2017 at 22:38You don’t have the authority to speak on their behalf of anyone because your not a TC’ your just an empty person,here to troll. Your like a bottle of water in the sahara desert but the only problem your empty. no good to anyone.
dragonslayer33000
March 20, 2017 at 22:40see you guys don’t want the status quo. You just want your filthy reunification with your boots on TC necks. just day dreaming
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 20, 2017 at 23:36i want the status quo. I want the spoiled turkish cypriots to remain isolated and told what to do by turkey forever.
dragonslayer33000
March 21, 2017 at 02:42they won’t remain isolated. just like taiwan
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 02:46of course it will remain isolated, especially if turkey annexes it. You will see. Taiwan had much different set of circumstances and that situation is not comparable.
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 20, 2017 at 23:57this is one thing that I always agree with tc’s……………leave the status quo alone. Leave the turkish cypriots isolate and dominated by the islamic state based in ankara. You deserve it. In fact the turkish invasion in some ways was a blessing for gc’s. We don’t have to live with islamic scum.
pkay1000
March 21, 2017 at 10:30Then explain why more TC’S have left after 74 than before 74 ?
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 20, 2017 at 23:55afro I’m going to have to be honest with you here, why on earth would you want Cyprus to be turned into a bbf?
afrocyprus
March 21, 2017 at 00:00what is a BBF?
lol
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 01:58Bizonal Bicommunal Federation. That is what ankara is pushing for. It basically legalizes what happened in 74. Any Greek Cypriot that votes yes to that should be banished from Cyprus forever.
Maz
March 20, 2017 at 22:33Go back to your mountain mud shack where you came from thief and give back the stolen house you live in
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 20, 2017 at 23:54hostilities between tc and gc’s ended in 1967. Turkey got that going again on july 20th 1974 in order to illegaly occupy the north of Cyprus.
cyprus observer
March 21, 2017 at 10:15What history book does that come from?
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 22:45excuse me?, what part about it don’t you agree with? and then after that, tell me your version so I can get a good laugh.
pkay1000
March 21, 2017 at 10:28We’re you even alive in the sixties? In Cyprus? Do tell where?
Maz
March 20, 2017 at 22:32I’m sure he’s an Anotolian gypsy thief.
dragonslayer33000
March 20, 2017 at 22:35i am not even turkish but i laugh at the thief claims. Unfortunately for you the thieves have an army. So cry thief all you like.
afrocyprus
March 20, 2017 at 22:35Your right , your probably a mongal, it just you don’t know what you are.
dragonslayer33000
March 20, 2017 at 22:37i love seeing GCs getting triggered. Behind all that fake niceties and how we all love each other lies the slimey trait of anti turkish sentiment.
afrocyprus
March 20, 2017 at 22:39Here this is for you
Your like a bottle of water in the sahara desert but the only problem your empty. no good to anyone.
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 01:59if you are not turkish then what are you?
Kendoui
March 20, 2017 at 22:12your statement is so typical of turkish backed propaganda.
afrocyprus
March 20, 2017 at 22:15I agree, they only people that have to gain if the peace talks goes belly up are Turkey and the the Illegal settlers.
The losers will be the Turkish Cypriots. there is nothing we Gcs can do the only people that stop this crap from the likes of Dragon is for the TC’s stand up and be heard.
Peacein2015
March 20, 2017 at 23:10We are a ZILLION times better away from you lot, even with a nutjob running Turkey.
afrocyprus
March 20, 2017 at 23:44Good Riddance , lets see if your grass is greener on the other side.
dragonslayer33000
March 20, 2017 at 22:16there is nothing progandish about that. GCS and TCS have nothing in common.
Nothing. Its better people go their seperate ways.
afrocyprus
March 20, 2017 at 22:21Its obviously are not a Tc that’s all I can say you should move aside and let a True TCs take your place .
Kendoui
March 20, 2017 at 22:49they do they are all cypriots .
Peacein2015
March 20, 2017 at 23:10So why were the Greek versions killing the Turkish versions?
Oh, they wanted a Greek island.
We have not bought that “one Cypriot” gobshite for 43 years.
afrocyprus
March 20, 2017 at 23:50I come to the conclusion that your running scared because if a solution does happen your either be sent back home, or the survival of the TC;s we remain and make you the minority, so your ploy is blame the greeks. nice try either way I dont care what you want or think.
Maz
March 20, 2017 at 22:26You would say that because you’re not Turkish Cypriot you are a scumbag squatter thief
dragonslayer33000
March 20, 2017 at 22:32yawn. all you can do is cry thief. too bad you cant do anything about it. lol
afrocyprus
March 20, 2017 at 22:34Your Sultan has no friends anymore, Poor Akinci has been shalfed. the demise of the Turkish Cypriots is at its height and greeks will always be on the Island, does it look like I worried,
dragonslayer33000
March 20, 2017 at 22:36lol at demise of turkish cyptiots. dumb greeks have been ssaying that since the 60s. news flash. TCs are still around. And will be long after you have turned into dust. DEAL WITH IT
afrocyprus
March 20, 2017 at 22:44One thing is for sure you get no deal,TC’s live in the wildness of another 42 years, you become a province of a broken country like Turkey. that has no chance of ever being in the EU, your surrounded by enemies am sure another coup will happen, and you telling me we have problems hahahhhahhahha you are really one of the biggest dreams here in CM,
dragonslayer33000
March 21, 2017 at 02:39yeah yeah wilderness. there is only one side crying for reunification. turkish cyps are doing fine. so run along and cry for your fake reuniifcation pleas
memyselfandi
March 21, 2017 at 01:00I agree that the official partition of the island is the best solution,but since you are only the 18% of the population it’s not fair to control 36% of the island,allow the Greek Cypriots to go back to Famagusta and let’s all carry on with our lives.
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 02:01I have been saying that since the criminal anan plan. Famagusta returns to our side. Build a wall on the greenline and call it a day. Lets use the invasion of 74 to our advantage , isolating ourself of the disease they call islam.
memyselfandi
March 21, 2017 at 02:03And then the Greek part of Cuprus can unite with mother-Greece.
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 02:51Only if Greece get’s its act together and gets the socialist disease out of their blood. Otherwise Greece should stay out too.
memyselfandi
March 21, 2017 at 03:02Agree,for the time being the existence of 2 Greek states is in the interest of the Greek people,Cyprus is in better position than Greece and it’s a safe shelter for the Greeks who don’t see a future for them and their families in Greece.
And the boost of the Greek population is in the interest of the Republic of Cyprus as well.
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 03:15exactly, very well put.
dragonslayer33000
March 21, 2017 at 02:38the only way famagusta returns to your side is in your retarded wet dreams.
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 02:50obviously you have not followed the Cyprus problem long enough. YOUR side still offers famagusta in return for international recognition. Wake up dude.
dragonslayer33000
March 21, 2017 at 02:37lool come get it clowns. you aint getting famagusta
memyselfandi
March 21, 2017 at 02:38Why not?
pkay1000
March 21, 2017 at 10:23Good to see your true colours. Careful what you wish for. Many have used force to occupy Famagusta before and dare I say it many will do so in the future.
Fevzi Ogelman
March 20, 2017 at 21:30Here’s the Turkish view for a solution. Is it worth returning to the negotiating table?
gopher
March 20, 2017 at 22:23enjoy the enlave and the harem of the sultan morons
Qovaq
March 20, 2017 at 20:38If the GC’s don’t agree then the status quo just continues and the “Greeks” (really Levantine Arabs that worship Greece) can carry on singing sad Cyprus songs.
The TC’s should start demolishing and rebuilding Maras (Varosha) for tourism as the tourist industry in the North has really taken off this year. Make more bed capacity.
Claphamer
March 20, 2017 at 21:23Dreaming again your usual fantasies
afrocyprus
March 20, 2017 at 21:39You need to stop being a shepherd and are start conversing so people might take you seriously instead of acting like a jester, Most of the illegal setters will be on a boat back to Turkey which I would not be a surprise if you have a seat on it too. your Mr Mevlut Cavusoglu can demand as much as he wants he not getting it, the EU told and the Gc’s have told, and if he is insistent , let him annexe Cyprus kiss goodbye to the TC’s then when they are all gone then least if will go down in history that the Turks wiped them out
Qovaq
March 20, 2017 at 22:14Even the mainland Greeks call you arabs with shoes. lol
afrocyprus
March 20, 2017 at 22:32This is from an uncivilized mongal, you need to see what the Greek empire brought to civilization. I trying to think what you ancestors brought us mmmmmmmmm let me think Oh yeah people like you. I don’t need to say anymore ,because you done that all by yourself.
Qovaq
March 20, 2017 at 22:34We ruled you for 400 years, you were our slaves. You’re Turk spawn lol
afrocyprus
March 20, 2017 at 22:51That right you ruled, ands that’s as far as it got, nothing to show for it with the exception a product of you, which I happy to say I don’t share
Qovaq
March 20, 2017 at 23:48Don’t kid yourself. You are a Turk spawn.
afrocyprus
March 20, 2017 at 23:54dont kid your self, Alexander the Great away has a soft spot for people whose name began with Q
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 02:03if you are from turkey, you have more Greek, arab, persian, kurd dna than turkish.
gopher
March 21, 2017 at 08:33proud to be a mongol? ape?
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 20, 2017 at 23:38not really, Greeks ran all the seafaring business for the ottoman empire because you guys didn’t know how to. Read up on the Phanariot Greeks of turkey. The practially ran the whole balkan portion of the ottoman empire.
Qovaq
March 20, 2017 at 23:47You’ve got pure Turkish blood.
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 20, 2017 at 23:52and then you woke up
Qovaq
March 21, 2017 at 00:02lol you know better about your heritage, dont deny it.! lol
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 02:03Yes I do and that is why I tell you that you are dreaming.
pkay1000
March 21, 2017 at 10:34Lol then why do you call us greek
gopher
March 21, 2017 at 08:32says the mongol ass kisser with the IQ of a backward ape still looking for sultans
George Thomas
March 20, 2017 at 21:49Levantine Arabs? I think you need a history lesson. Maybe starting with the fact Western Turkey was Greek, eastern Turkey was Kurdish, and the Turks invaded and stole (origins Mongolian).
gopher
March 20, 2017 at 22:24the babrbaric mongols were never strong in history or civilisation, most likely because apes have none
Qovaq
March 20, 2017 at 22:33We were your masters for 400 years. You’re Turk spawn
gopher
March 21, 2017 at 08:29but you remain an ape moron
and how can apes be maters but in their own low IQ
no wonder the whole europe considers you as a backward culture and religion and tries to rid of you like the cholera you are
gopher
March 22, 2017 at 23:21pity that your sick culture has not managed to evolve to that of human beings ape
Qovaq
March 23, 2017 at 02:18You are Turk….
Peacein2015
March 20, 2017 at 23:12Great idea – stop this farce, close the border and let’s develop the north.
afrocyprus
March 20, 2017 at 23:48You are a dreamer. its like having a great car but no MOT what the point, your unrecognised and will be for the next 42 years,,,, dream only my friend, wake up and face reality.
Dave The Impaler
March 20, 2017 at 19:34turkey’s vision for the future of Cyprus, he added was to transform the island “into a bastion of peace, stability, cooperation and economic prosperity. By turning the indigence Greek Cypriot people of the island into 2nd class citizens in their own country.
Fevzi Ogelman
March 20, 2017 at 21:23How are GCS becoming 2nd class citizens in their own country? By giving equal rights to the TCs, all will be 1st class and the guarantee system will continue to provide peace as it has done for the last four decades. And the revival of the economy might get you out of the sh-t you’re in.
George Thomas
March 20, 2017 at 21:47When Turkey gives the Kurds equal status in Turkey, who are over 25% of the Population, then the Turks can demand the TC’s get equal status, when they’re only 12-16% of the population.
dragonslayer33000
March 20, 2017 at 21:56there are kurdish mps in turkish parliament. go find me a turkish cypriot in a greek parliament
Kendoui
March 20, 2017 at 22:20wait for Erogan to run things totally his way and it will be goodbye to kurdish MP,s actually also goodbye to democracy
George Thomas
March 20, 2017 at 22:23In the ROC Constitution, 30% of the Parliament were TC’s (even though they were 18% of the population). That collapsed during problems and after the invasion. In the negotiations, the TC’s will again be 30% of the Parliament, so not sure what your point is. What’s made the talks collapse is Turkey’s demands ie rotating presidency, Troops to remain and they want the EU four freedoms….. without being members of the EU…..very logical. Unrealistic demands as always. Kurds in Turkish Parliament? Yes, there is. But don’t be deluded to think Kurds have equal rights, that’s complete nonsense, and a lie. Maybe your reading Pro Erdogan media, well that’s all that is left. The rest have been arrested.
Muchacho
March 21, 2017 at 21:44Well said. I can’t think of one democracy where the minority have disproportionate say in politics.
gopher
March 20, 2017 at 22:25are they still alive or out of prison moron??
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 20, 2017 at 23:41there are mp’s in the turkish parliament, but the kurds are a minority and still have a smaller voice than the majority in turkey. Isn’t there something wrong with that according to the usual sick turkish logic?
afrocyprus
March 20, 2017 at 23:58you need to face up to the facts that Turkey is on a slippery slope to nowhere and its going to take the poor TCs down with it too.
You are a troll and anything you say goes behind me in the smallest room in my house.
Muchacho
March 21, 2017 at 21:43Fine, then lets unite and all Cypriots, of Turkish heritage or Greek have mps through a proportional representative system. Or should we give a minority disproportionate representation because that sounds super fair. Do the Kurdish mps have veto rights? Is there a rotating presidency in Turkey. Do the Kurdish mps automatically get leadership powers every few years because of who they are? Oh wait, Erdogan is trying to create a dictatorship so that no one else can be in power, great secular and fair guarantor there…
Dave The Impaler
March 20, 2017 at 23:22To me equal rights mean one person one vote and to live and work in any part of the island your version seems to be As a Greek Cypriot am not allowed to reside and work in specific areas of my country, whereas every other EU citizen can – if this is not a violation of my human rights then what is. I am to grant absolution to turkey for settling an occupied area, everywhere else in the world considered a war crime. Political equality is skewed so much that it no longer means one person one vote, but rather one community one vote. Although I am willing to be flexible on the matter, and accept the vote of one Turkish Cypriot to be equal to the vote of 4 Greek Cypriots for the sake of reunification, it is those special veto clauses that will once again make any governance dysfunctional that scares the living hell out of me. For if indeed we are forming a 50-50 partnership and the votes of the Turkish Cypriots have been elevated to equal in impact the votes of the Greek Cypriots, then why do you need the vetos?
Air Fuse
March 21, 2017 at 00:19A 50 – 50 partnership between two incompatible partners would lead to conflict. Isn’t the veto already evident in this arrangement?
Muchacho
March 21, 2017 at 21:57Well said. We saw how disproportionate representation worked in 1960 but what do you expect when a state is created by the help of foreign nations that have no understanding of the communities within that state? Cyprus is just another fine example of nation building with ‘too many cooks in the kitchen’. Greece, Turkey and Britain really messed that one up but whenever these nations get involved, incompetency and trouble is sure to follow.
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 20, 2017 at 23:39because in a real functioning country the majority has a larger voice than a minority. the tc’s who were always the minority want the same voice as the majority. That is not a democracy. That is the usual spoiled turkish mindset.
afrocyprus
March 20, 2017 at 23:56The Tc’s wont even have that by the time the settlers take over .
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 00:04not only will they not have that, but they will probably be force to leave because ankara has been trying itsl best to get rid of a turkish cypriot identity and they want it replaced with turkish-only identity. Many tc’s don’t like that but they have no choice in the matter. Oh well. Sometimes people have to be careful what they ask for.
Peacein2015
March 20, 2017 at 23:13We were 4th class citizens under you lot.
Dave The Impaler
March 20, 2017 at 23:15No. you are 4th class under your mainland settler buddies
Air Fuse
March 20, 2017 at 23:26Your mate Qovaq says that the Greek Cypriots were your slaves for 400 years. You invaded and stole a part of their country. Why lie?
Kypreos64 Kypreos64
March 21, 2017 at 23:48and now you are 4th class citizens to yobaz from the backwaters of eastern turkey, congratulations.